[T-bone]

It looks like you are trying to turn the MN into a field trial! Of course your flight had all the poor dogs and that's why only 30% passed while A had 41% B had 42% and A flight had 50%. When you were president of the MN the clubs voted to to take the MNRC out of the AKC. The MNRC is a six series HT for HUNTING DOGS it was never a FT nor was it to be judged that way!

Uh, all of the judges approved all of the tests. I ran the MN this year (ironically flight D) and have to say I don't think it was judged liked a field trial. But that's just my personal opinion.

I have no stake in what's voted in or out but (from the email I received) think that they've been trying to get people's opinions and those opinions are only trickling in. As stated above, get ahold of Elaine and let her know your thoughts on the matter.

Have to admit it would be frustrating to deal with how quickly the events fill and hopefully whoever it is that manages that will look at options.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

So aside, these options all stink, I read them before and sent in my recommendations to our clubs master national rep. to vote nay on every single one of them. Still I assume they were voted on at the Master National meeting which is held at the Test, so anyone know how these votes went? Were any of them adopted?

The only real change that would affect the weekend tests, would be for clubs to adopt limits on # of dogs a single handler can run, just as they adopted limits on how many dogs they will run at a test. EE and Huntsec. Already do this for HRC tests, which already limit # of dogs a single handler can run, to a clubs choice of 8 or 12 dogs. The clubs will make the changes in this, simply by saying NO we won't do it this way anymore. Lack of Grounds and hardships to clubs, was the petition for setting-up limited entry tests. Lack of workers and club hardship could be the same petition on why it's necessary to limit # of dogs a single handler can run. Give clubs options and they'll continue to run tests, back them into a corner and events will disappear.

 

[badbullgator]

So aside, these options all stink, I read them before and sent in my recommendations to our clubs master national rep. to vote nay on every single one of them. Still I assume they were voted on at the Master National meeting which is held at the Test, so anyone know how these votes went? Were any of them adopted?

The only real change that would affect the weekend tests, would be for clubs to adopt limits on # of dogs a single handler can run, just as they adopted limits on how many dogs they will run at a test. EE and Huntsec. Already do this for HRC tests, which already limit # of dogs a single handler can run, to a clubs choice of 8 or 12 dogs. The clubs will make the changes in this, simply by saying NO we won't do it this way anymore. Lack of Grounds and hardships to clubs, was the petition for setting-up limited entry tests. Lack of workers and club hardship could be the same petition on why it's necessary to limit # of dogs a single handler can run. Give clubs options and they'll continue to run tests, back them into a corner and events will disappear.

i agree that limiting the number a handler can run would help, but I think that would be a change AKC would have to make. I seem to recall that HRC limits are spelled out by HRC, not EE or hunt test secretary. I assume you mentioned them because they have the ability to make the limit in their software. Currently I do not think a club or entry service can limit dogs per handler in AKC.

 

[LabskeBill]

So aside, these options all stink, I read them before and sent in my recommendations to our clubs master national rep. to vote nay on every single one of them. Still I assume they were voted on at the Master National meeting which is held at the Test, so anyone know how these votes went? Were any of them adopted?


Hunt'EmUp:

Nothing was voted on or even discussed. I think the plan ws to have comments in to the MN by end of Dec. Then they could be discussed at the MN's Winter meetings. I could be wrong but I beleive that is the plan
Billb

 

[Troopers Mom]

I have another question. I had heard that a Master National qualifier now had x number of passes credited toward the next year Master National. I also read in the blog that someone thought it was 2 passes were awarded but that AKC only acknowledged 1 pass. What is the actual ruling and where can I find it in writing? Does anyone know? Thanks

Arleen

 

[Thomas D]

It might have been one of the "cons" in the proposal with 5 series. AKC would have to approve two passes since it is currently designed for 6 series and 2 passes.

 

[Troopers Mom]

It might have been one of the "cons" in the proposal with 5 series. AKC would have to approve two passes since it is currently designed for 6 series and 2 passes.

Thank you. Where is it written?

Arleen

 

[Thomas D]

MNRC website Headlines Growth Strategies age 5 I think.
Rule book only says MN will "strive" to make the test equal to two weekend tests.

 

[Thomas D]

That's the way I see it. If something isn't done for the weekend tests and getting more ams in those tests the smaller clubs will disappear and only the big clubs that can support the big entries will survive (as MNRC).

 

[Troopers Mom]

MNRC website Headlines Growth Strategies age 5 I think.
Rule book only says MN will "strive" to make the test equal to two weekend tests.

Okay. I just checked Entry Express on our dog's total Master Passes. It shows 17, yet AKC is showing 18 which indicates to me that they only issued 1 pass credit for finishing the Master National. He qualified for the Master National in 2012 but did not participate.

Arleen

 

[Dave Kress]

Let me try to help on these MNRC qualifications
It takes 6 qualifications to go to the MN.
Should you get a "pass" at the MN and since it has 6 series which is the equivalent of 2 weekend tests the MNRC allows that qualification to count toward the next qualification as 2 passes
So it's all club related

Should someone need to check all this just go the MNRC website and read away
Have fun and train your team
Dk

 

[Thomas D]

Okay. I just checked Entry Express on our dog's total Master Passes. It shows 17, yet AKC is showing 18 which indicates to me that they only issued 1 pass credit for finishing the Master National. He qualified for the Master National in 2012 but did not participate.

Arleen

I think since the MN is one AKC event, the AKC counts it as 1 pass. As Dave says the rest is all internal MNRC.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

I assume you mentioned them because they have the ability to make the limit in their software. Currently I do not think a club or entry service can limit dogs per handler in AKC.

Exactly as it's already offered by EE & Huntsec. for HRC tests. The companies would not need to change their software codes, as they would for many other options people have suggested; such as a ranking system. A Very easy change for both online providers. Of course allowing for such a change would have to come from AKC-RAC, a club-several clubs would need to petition them for such limiting.

 

[championretrievers]

Dave is right, one MN pass counts toward two passes. Look at the MNRC Website, it states this . Therefore a dog passing the Master National has to get 4 more passes in the calendar year to qualify