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Funny. I had a run in with an 'English Lab' guy this week. This dog is gi-normous--probably 120 pounds and 3 feet wide at the chest. It kind of waddles along. Nice dog and I have spoken to the dog and its mother many times while walking my critters.

This weekend I was out on our local park doing some lining drills with our lab, who is QAA and just under 60 lbs of pure go. The dog and its dad walk up and watch for a second. As I was putting my dog up to get the fluffy out for his work, he started telling me about English Labs (stress on the ENGLISH so as to make it clear it was a different breed from my cur). He starts going on about how much better they are which is why they are so much more expensive, etc. I'm basically just tuning him out and nodding. Whatever. Not going to convince him otherwise, so why bother. Then he comes out with a real gem: he said that English Labs didn't have all the hunting instinct bred out of them so they didn't need all the training I was having to do with my dog.

I literally laughed out loud in his face. Then I looked at him and saw that he was dead serious. I mumbled something and excused myself to get back at it. I didn't know what to say to that.

When I think about all the time and $ I have and continue to waste on dog training, it makes me wish I had just paid up for one of those no training needed English Labs.
Guess he bought the dog back when you used to duck hunt with points and would sometimes find yourself needing to only retrieve 1 duck. :p
 
LOL! Several years ago I really did have a mastiff/lab cross. He looked like an incredibly huge lab with a great big head which was up to my hips. He was my fishing dog and his name was Riverman.....
 
OAt the same fiasco (puppy tent:mad:) there was also a stud dog whose coloring was black with brown. A mix of black and chocolate. I had NEVER seen that before either. Yup another good stock producer. :rolleyes:
I hate that some people will go out of their way to breed for what would be a disqualification in the breed on purpose JUST to make a buck and without regard for the health of the animals.

Completely beside the main point of this thread, and more just in case some here hadn't known about it or seen it before-
Black and tan is actually a mismark color (as is brindling, along with mosaics, etc.) in labradors and does actually happen.

I work in the veterinary dept at a large service dog organization (AKC registered labs, AKC registered goldens, and some crosses) where one of the original labrador stud dogs would produce a number of black and tans. They were originally adopted out since most people's (meaning Joe Q. Public) initial impression was that they were rottie mixes, and thus, tended to shy away from them even when calmly/quietly working in a harness, but now every once in a while a black-and-tan puppy will still get produced and make it through into the training program. They have a reputable breeding dept, with OFA hips/elbows, PennHIP, CERF exams, and even color doppler echos done (which has found a couple of subclinical cases of TVD in the labs without even as much as a heart murmur- okay if mild for training/service but not okay to go into the breeding dept, obviously) on any dog going into training/breeding.

Here is one such pup- 100% AKC registered labrador retriever with a pedigree a mile long , but quite obvious why some would guess it is a rottie or rottie mix (yes, she has a tail that NEVER stops wagging, too, like most labradors- it is just hidden behind her "sloppy sit" in this shot)....


So this can be produced by reputable breeders by accident, though obviously not something that is "advertised" as is the case with back yard breeders and puppy mills trying to make a buck off of these "rare" colors that most haven't ever seen in a breed before.
 
I find it hard to believe that this Rottie-looking dog is a purebred Labrador -- even if the pedigree is a mile long. It could be a bogus pedigree.

Helen
 
I hate that some people will go out of their way to breed for what would be a disqualification in the breed on purpose JUST to make a buck and without regard for the health of the animals.

Completely beside the main point of this thread, and more just in case some here hadn't known about it or seen it before-
Black and tan is actually a mismark color (as is brindling, along with mosaics, etc.) in labradors and does actually happen.

I work in the veterinary dept at a large service dog organization (AKC registered labs, AKC registered goldens, and some crosses) where one of the original labrador stud dogs would produce a number of black and tans. They were originally adopted out since most people's (meaning Joe Q. Public) initial impression was that they were rottie mixes, and thus, tended to shy away from them even when calmly/quietly working in a harness, but now every once in a while a black-and-tan puppy will still get produced and make it through into the training program. They have a reputable breeding dept, with OFA hips/elbows, PennHIP, CERF exams, and even color doppler echos done (which has found a couple of subclinical cases of TVD in the labs without even as much as a heart murmur- okay if mild for training/service but not okay to go into the breeding dept, obviously) on any dog going into training/breeding.

Here is one such pup- 100% AKC registered labrador retriever with a pedigree a mile long , but quite obvious why some would guess it is a rottie or rottie mix (yes, she has a tail that NEVER stops wagging, too, like most labradors- it is just hidden behind her "sloppy sit" in this shot)....


So this can be produced by reputable breeders by accident, though obviously not something that is "advertised" as is the case with back yard breeders and puppy mills trying to make a buck off of these "rare" colors that most haven't ever seen in a breed before.
Julie Ive heard of the black and tans but never expected the markings to be rich. Admittedly she is very cute!!! BTW thats awsome getting to work for the service dog organization :-D
 
I find it hard to believe that this Rottie-looking dog is a purebred Labrador -- even if the pedigree is a mile long. It could be a bogus pedigree.

Helen
Imagine if that dog was pure black.. Would you still think its a mix? Service dog organizations dont have any reason to lie about pedigree. They can and would use mix breeds that can do the job. They dont have any shame doing so nor should they. Therefore why would they attatch a bogus pedigree to one of their dogs? Remember the Labradoodle wss invented by service dog organizations for a hypoallergenic dog.. However it was a experiment that flopped and of course now we have idiots doing the designer dog thing... Anyway Julie has AKC BISS Lab is on the historic commitee for her Lab Club and knows her stuff. She knows pedigrees.
 
dummy. apparently you have missed all the rage about silver labs on here.....dont you have one yet???:confused:

Ugh.. My friend out in California had to buy one of these "Silver Labs" and he named it Asti. He paid 2 grand for it... 2 friggin grand and had it flown out to california..
 
There's people in GA that specifically cross the labs and mastiffs...not sure why...
 
Julie,

I've heard / read of the mismarks in the program, but it strikes me as odd that his feet really don't look like Labrador feet. How old is that pup in the photo? Anne
Anne- I think she is about 6 months here and I haven't seen her since. I have a great video taken with my phone that really shows her true tail-wagging "all lab" personality too but can't figure out how to get it uploaded via email or You Tube. I'll keep trying...

In the meantime, these guys run progesterone tests and do AI's. They have a completely closed campus with an entire building devoted to breeding and the "nursery.". This (and others they've had) is 100% Labrador and many of the lines on the dams side are extremely well-known. We have some well-know, reputable breeders in CA who have donated puppies, dogs, or breedings with a stud dog to the organization. The person in charge of the breeding dept is actually a 15+ year lab breeder and lab club member herself, outside of work. Neat lady! :)

These types of mismarks aren't common in the breed but they happen even in some of the "best" lines and to the "best" breeders. Who knows where it originated back when the breed was still in it's developmental stages- a coonhound perhaps? Either way, it has been reported for many decades now.

There are a lot of sites that go into mismarks
in labs if you care to check them out (with pictures):
http://www.blueknightlabs.com/content/view/167/143/
 
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