[joeyrhoades]

Is this the system that everyone is talking about?

http://ybsmedia.com/index.php/mike-lardy/total-retriever-training-2nd-edition

 

[Don Lietzau]

Not everone is talking about it but, Yep, That's it.
Don and Crew

 

[joeyrhoades]

Sorry to imply everyone. But it seems like a majority of people around here think there is no other option to having field trial/hunt test dog than to use this.

I just wanted to make sure that I actually knew what they were talking about.

Thanks.

Not everone is talking about it but, Yep, That's it.
Don and Crew

 

[Daren Galloway]

Lardy says in the DVD "it doesn't matter if the dog is to be used for hunting, hunt test or field trials, the dog should be trained in the same manner using the same system until advanced training. That is, after the dog is handling in the field"

 

[MNHunter]

Sorry to imply everyone. But it seems like a majority of people around here think there is no other option to having field trial/hunt test dog than to use this.

I just wanted to make sure that I actually knew what they were talking about.

Thanks.

I've been researching training programs as well and would say that I've seen several posts here recommending Smartworks, Fowl Dawgs and Bill Hillmann's program as well. I've decided to start with Bill Hillmann with the new pup and go from there.

 

[Daren Galloway]

Lardy says in the DVD "it doesn't matter if the dog is to be used for hunting, hunt test or field trials, the dog should be trained in the same manner using the same system until advanced training. That is, after the dog is handling in the field"

And while I don't know this to be fact, I would venture to guess, Bill Hillmann, Evan Graham, Rick Stawski, would all agree.

 

[DoubleHaul]

That is the DVD.

As a first step, I would go with the written stuff--at least volume 1 and 2: http://ybsmedia.com/index.php/mike-lardy/training-with-mike-lardy-v-i

Even if you get the DVD, you will want these. Very inexpensive and basically the whole program.

 

[DoubleHaul]

I've been researching training programs as well and would say that I've seen several posts here recommending Smartworks, Fowl Dawgs and Bill Hillmann's program as well. I've decided to start with Bill Hillmann with the new pup and go from there.

There are alternatives. One thing about Bill Hillmann's program is that if you go through all the videos you are essentially through basics into early transition. He does not yet have any advanced stuff out yet, so you might have to go to Lardy or Graham anyway. Lots of folks have done so with success and Hillmann might have more stuff out by the time you need it, but just to let you know.

 

[Daren Galloway]

That is the DVD.

As a first step, I would go with the written stuff--at least volume 1 and 2: http://ybsmedia.com/index.php/mike-lardy/training-with-mike-lardy-v-i

Even if you get the DVD, you will want these. Very inexpensive and basically the whole program.

Basically the whole program yes, but I have found some slight differences. I cannot imagine trying to FF or CC a dog without being able to see the dogs reactions first that are shown in the DVD. Half of what Lardy teaches is "read the dog" I don't believe you can learn that from a book, at least I can't, but can get a good idea of what to look for if you see it on the screen.

 

[DoubleHaul]

Basically the whole program yes, but I have found some slight differences. I cannot imagine trying to FF or CC a dog without being able to see the dogs reactions first that are shown in the DVD. Half of what Lardy teaches is "read the dog" I don't believe you can learn that from a book, at least I can't, but can get a good idea of what to look for if you see it on the screen.

Fair enough. My point was if you are on the fence, as the OP clearly is, the written material is a good inexpensive start. Even if you have the DVDs, though, including TRT and TRM, you will still need the written materials.

 

[Daren Galloway]

Fair enough. My point was if you are on the fence, as the OP clearly is, the written material is a good inexpensive start. Even if you have the DVDs, though, including TRT and TRM, you will still need the written materials.

I agree 100%