Just curious as to which is more prestigious/highly thought of, a HT dog with Master National title or a FT dog with a FC title? Thanks
More prestigious?
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Ditto, Ditto
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Totally different. Cannot compare the two.
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How about a Master National dog vs. a QAA dog?
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I believe I'd want the QAA
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There are somewhere around 60 FCs titled across the country PER YEAR.
This is from a total entry in Open All Age stakes, per year of, somewhere around 15,000.
Very rough figures, and I can't give you numbers for MH entries vs. MNH finishers, but you can do the math and you won't have much doubt as to the answer to your question.
JS
This is from a total entry in Open All Age stakes, per year of, somewhere around 15,000.
Very rough figures, and I can't give you numbers for MH entries vs. MNH finishers, but you can do the math and you won't have much doubt as to the answer to your question.
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I have a dog that won a Qual (her 3rd start i believe) and two more dogs with Qual placements. The female with the win has passed 5 of 5 MH tests, 6 of 8 HRC Finished tests, and 2 of 2 HRC Upland tests. The 2012 Master National is just a few hours drive from my house. I didn't even try to qualify for the MN. So the QAA designation is more desirable for me.
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You can't really compare the two, since hunt tests, even the MN, were set up to test dogs to a standard whereas an FC has to be better than all the other dogs (including already titled FCs and AFCs) for at least one trial, and better than almost all the other dogs on multiple trials. So if by prestigious you mean harder to achieve, FC for sure. A dog can earn enough passes to attend and pass the MN by doing work just marginally above a standard. As far as QAA vs MH, depends on how the dog earned that QAA designation. A first or second place at a 6 or 8-dog Q that's been dumbed down to keep the dogs playing for more than one series might not be able to pass a MH test, much less 5, whereas a dog that earned a ribbon in a 70-dog all age stake is probably a pretty nice dog.
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Put aside the normal discussions , some HT tests dogs have had the talent and maybe could have become a FC given the training, etc.
The "most average FC in the country" trumps the HT titled dog and/or Master National finalist and so does (maybe more so) the average AFC too. As far as QAA dogs a Judges Award of Merit in a 70 dog all-age stake will make a QAA dog too . Perhaps the only difference between placing in the trial was the dog handled maybe in the last series! Been on all three sides of the fence AKC MH, HRCH and FC/AFC
and it's all about the training and the talent of the dog. AS J.S. indicated the statistics would validate the above.
The "most average FC in the country" trumps the HT titled dog and/or Master National finalist and so does (maybe more so) the average AFC too. As far as QAA dogs a Judges Award of Merit in a 70 dog all-age stake will make a QAA dog too . Perhaps the only difference between placing in the trial was the dog handled maybe in the last series! Been on all three sides of the fence AKC MH, HRCH and FC/AFC
and it's all about the training and the talent of the dog. AS J.S. indicated the statistics would validate the above.
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FC, for sure. And don't forget the AFC title. Either title requires a win plus additional placements to earn points (10 pts. needed for the FC and 15 pts. needed for the Amateur). Competition is fierce in the Open and also in the Amateur. An FC/AFC is the creme de la creme.
A Master National title can be obtained by an MH passing one master national. It is certainly a desirable and very worthwhile accomplishment, but can't be compared to obtaining an FC or an AFC title.
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Ummmmmm.......... AKC Master National Hunter Title (MNH)
The American Kennel Club has approved a new MNH title for retrievers. The MNH, which stands for Master National Hunter, title will be in addition to the dog’s MH title.
The title is given to any dog that successfully completes three Master Nationals, which is equivalent to the Master National Retriever Clubs’ (MNRC's) Hall of Fame designation. When the MNH is earned, it will go on the dog's pedigree.
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder regards
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Sorry Bubba, It ain't even close, passing and winning are two different things.
No offense, but beauty is in the eye of the Blue ribbon holder.
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gregg,
i don't want to speak for bubba but i think his statement was made to advise helen that the mnh title requires a set of three of those little plates. she posted that you only need one for the title.
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Sorry Bubba, Hey Roseberry, Quit correcting me.LOL
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I think the MOST prestigious is the retriever with a dead mallard in it's mouth!
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You are trying to compare apples to oranges here. You will get a wide range of answers and probably start a fight or two. The FT group will make it sound like any old crap eater can go out and get a MNH behind its name and not a single ht dog could ever become an FC. The HT group will claim that their dog could get an FC if they trained for it even though they never ran a FT. Those that know the reality of it will just follow this thread and have a good laugh.
It takes a talanted, well trained dog to pass six MH test in twelve months. (unless you have time and money to run 20 to get 6) If 50% pass rate is normal at MN then going just by the numbers you would have to qualify for and run 6 to get your 3 passes. If you run your first at 2 years old you have a nice dog. Once again going by the numbers 6 years later you have a MNH dog. Thats an 8 year project. If you have a REALLY nice dog and all goes in your favor you might get it dine with a 5 or 6 year old dog. Passing a MN requires 6 days of exceptional work. Just like in a field trial you will get some breaks good or bad. Weather, light conditions bad wind rain ect.
To get an FC you have to win an open and gain a total of 10 points. (I think the point total is right) The field trial test are are CRAZY hard. They have to be to see wich dog is best. The dogs and the training are just that good. I dont know the numbers or how to prsent the odds of titling a dog as FC. I do know a lot more dogs never title or get washed out than get titled.
Bottom line is what do you enjoy more and where do you want to put your time money and effort. I enjoy both games and respect the dog that do well in both. I would suggest you go watch both and gain a personal understanding rather than listen to all the crap thats about to show up here.
This threads been done before reguards.
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I wonder how many washed out FT dogs go on to become MH or MNH titled dogs....
If you hack at the HT game long enough you will get the titles, the same cant be said for FC or AFC.
If you hack at the HT game long enough you will get the titles, the same cant be said for FC or AFC.
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