[PhilBernardi]

I'm wondering if any of you have started a dog on the poison bird concept by having your dog run past a bird or two while doing a drill like the looking glass drill.

Thoughts?

 

[savage25xtreme]

I intro'ed my dog to poison birds during 4-phase drill. It transitioned well into the field.

 

[PhilBernardi]

I understand the 4 phase, and have done a like progression with Lardy's program (i.e., diversions on marks).

I thought that after a dog is completely doing the looking glass drill, that you could introduce a bird on ground in close proximity and have the dog run by it. Then transition that "leave it" notion to marks where birds are in close proximity.

Seems ok to me way of thinking. I wouldn't run it very much, just enough to get the dog to run by it then move the concept to marks.

 

[greg magee]

I'm wondering if any of you have started a dog on the poison bird concept by having your dog run past a bird or two while doing a drill like the looking glass drill.

Thoughts?

All diversions are introduced on the double tee, and then worked on with the move to the pattern field. Don't dwell on it though. Once they get it, move on.

 

[Evan]

Phil,

What is the core of your question? Are you looking for a transitinal step after four phase?

Evan

 

[PhilBernardi]

Not looking for help.

Thought I'd proffer an idea of adding a bird or two after that drill is taught to reinforce driving by a poison bird.

My thoughts were along the line of having another means of teaching a dog to drive paste a bird enroute to a blind without force.

Nothing more, nothing less. Just another potential trick in the bag of tricks to teach our hunting companions.

 

[mjolnir]

I would not recommend laying birds on the ground and having a dog run past them. This could create serious problems in the field. If you are teaching poison birds, I would recommend that the dog see the bird shot and thrown and then taken off the bird. Field trials in the US have passed a rule to try to stop this type of test.

 

[PhilBernardi]

Well, as far as real hunting goes, I want my dog to run past dead birds to get to cripples.

As far as testing is concerned, I see no deficit with further reinforcing running past old falls or dead birds AFTER one has introduced the poison bird concept during the marking program/progression.

Sorry I did not fully explain what I was trying to convey, and probably to many of you, I still haven't. ;-)

 

[Socks]

I would not recommend laying birds on the ground and having a dog run past them. This could create serious problems in the field. If you are teaching poison birds, I would recommend that the dog see the bird shot and thrown and then taken off the bird. Field trials in the US have passed a rule to try to stop this type of test.

Seriously? Man I love to watch dogs be able to do that. To me that shows a high level of training.

Oh well I don't know much.

 

[Howard N]

I would not recommend laying birds on the ground and having a dog run past them. This could create serious problems in the field. If you are teaching poison birds, I would recommend that the dog see the bird shot and thrown and then taken off the bird. Field trials in the US have passed a rule to try to stop this type of test.

Different strokes for different folks. I train my dogs a few months out of basics to go by a pile of bumpers they have not yet picked up a bird from to go to another unseen pile. I'll have them pick up a bumper from the short pile before we're done. Normal late transition for me.

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

How i teach this is in this thread.

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=39316


/Paul