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8 hand cast is done on your wagon wheel pattern. You teach one half of the pattern first. Dog sits on mat and you have 2 over piles and one back pile. Once dog does these correctly pick them up and teach 2 long angle backs. Place them out longer than where the back and side piles were. Once those are learned add the back piles to the over piles. Once those are going smoothly and use a rope by the way, Teach the 2 angle in piles and the straight come in pile. You stand outside the circle when this part of the drill.

Wagon Wheel and 8 Hand cast is in every yard drill book that I know of. I second Carol Cassity's book, and Training your Retriever to Handle by D.L. Walters is a oldie but a goodie....

Angie
 
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