[Buzz]

How can you rank derby list & derby points above MH with the blinds that are involved in a MH test?

Because it's a competition for 4 places, not pass fail, and the dogs usually have to be outstanding markers. I've also run both. They are not really titles but a degree of difficulty and almost all derby dogs that are successful are handling.

I have a pup that is doing blinds out to 350 yards that hasn't run a derby, and might not. Her trainer and I have pretty much agreed that she would be ready to do well in qualifying before seeing competition of any kind. I bet there are a lot of other derby dogs out there with similar training...

 

[FOM]

My list:

NFC-NAFC
NFC
NAFC
FC-AFC
FC
AFC
AA Win
AA Points
AA Jams
QAA via Qualifying stake
MNH
GRHRCH
DL
Derby Points
MH
GMHR
MHR
HRCH
SH
HR
WR
Solid Hunting Dog, both waterfowl and upland
WCX
WC
JH
SR
SHR

 

[Guest]

How can you rank derby list & derby points above MH with the blinds that are involved in a MH test?

Because it's a competition for 4 places, not pass fail, and the dogs usually have to be outstanding markers. I've also run both. They are not really titles but a degree of difficulty and almost all derby dogs that are successful are handling.

I agree. I have a girl who had a derby career of one whole point (and lotsa green), but had three Master legs before her 2nd birthday. MH is a piece of cake compared to making the list.

labman, I will have to disagree on the NAHRA MHR being tougher than an AKC MH...big time! My old girl's GMHR was a cake walk compared to her MH. Not like her MH was painful, but NAHRA is forgiving in many areas, including line manners. Not like I know that from experience or anything. 8)

 

[MRGD]

By "Ken" I mean Ken Bora, my sugar making friend.

tt

 

[Ducks and Dogs]

so were does a SRS winner rate :twisted:

 

[mjh345]

FOM; my list would mirror yours exactly

 

[Richard Finch]

LIST

NFC
NAFC
FC
AFC
OPEN DERBY WIN OR PLACEMENT
AA POINTS
MNH
GRHRCH
MH
HRCH
SH
HR
JH
SHR



RICHARD

 

[MRGD]

Just my opinion, but I would put the SRS winner somewhere around the FC/AFC ranking. These dogs have clearly proven themselves.

tt

 

[Franco]

My list:

NFC-NAFC
NFC
NAFC
FC-AFC
FC
AFC
AA Win
AA Points
AA Jams
QAA via Qualifying stake
MNH
GRHRCH
DL
Derby Points
MH
GMHR
MHR
HRCH
SH
HR
WR
Solid Hunting Dog, both waterfowl and upland
WCX
WC
JH
SR
SHR

The best list I've seen so far! 8)

But, where are the SRS Crown Champ, Dock Jumping Dog and Pointing Lab titled dogs ranked? :?

 

[FOM]

The best list I've seen so far! 8)

But, where are the SRS Crown Champ, Dock Jumping Dog and Pointing Lab titled dogs ranked? :?

Sorry sir, I have ZERO experience with those venues, so they do not rank with me as I do not know what is required of them.

Also I would not consider Dock Jumping as a field title.....

FOM

 

[Guest]

Re: LIST

NFC
OPEN DERBY WIN OR PLACEMENT
AA POINTS

:?:

 

[MRGD]

Melanie,

I love your sig. line. Seuss was a genius.

tt

 

[dixiedog]

My list:

NFC-NAFC
NFC
NAFC
FC-AFC
FC
AFC
AA Win
AA Points
AA Jams
QAA via Qualifying stake
MNH
GRHRCH
DL
Derby Points
MH
GMHR
MHR
HRCH
SH
HR
WR
Solid Hunting Dog, both waterfowl and upland
WCX
WC
JH
SR
SHR

The best list I've seen so far! 8)

But, where are the SRS Crown Champ, Dock Jumping Dog and Pointing Lab titled dogs ranked? :?

Continuing from list above:

dock jumping dog

Poodle obstacle course champion

 

[Ken Guthrie]

Just my opinion, but I would put the SRS winner somewhere around the FC/AFC ranking. These dogs have clearly proven themselves.

tt

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Here we go again. :wink:

 

[MRGD]

Stir it up Ken, its been boring around here.

tt

 

[labman52738]

How can you rank derby list & derby points above MH with the blinds that are involved in a MH test?

Because it's a competition for 4 places, not pass fail, and the dogs usually have to be outstanding markers. I've also run both. They are not really titles but a degree of difficulty and almost all derby dogs that are successful are handling.

I agree. I have a girl who had a derby career of one whole point (and lotsa green), but had three Master legs before her 2nd birthday. MH is a piece of cake compared to making the list.

labman, I will have to disagree on the NAHRA MHR being tougher than an AKC MH...big time! My old girl's GMHR was a cake walk compared to her MH. Not like her MH was painful, but NAHRA is forgiving in many areas, including line manners. Not like I know that from experience or anything. 8)

It is all about the different kind of training. I know of a very nice dog that had his MH at a young age, that failed his first Nahra test miserably. He told be that the Nahra tests were, not necasarrily harder, but required different training. Also, it all depends on the JUDGE!! There are good ones, and others that are not so much.

 

[stonybrook]

How can you rank derby list & derby points above MH with the blinds that are involved in a MH test?

Because it's a competition for 4 places, not pass fail, and the dogs usually have to be outstanding markers. I've also run both. They are not really titles but a degree of difficulty and almost all derby dogs that are successful are handling.

I agree. I have a girl who had a derby career of one whole point (and lotsa green), but had three Master legs before her 2nd birthday. MH is a piece of cake compared to making the list.

labman, I will have to disagree on the NAHRA MHR being tougher than an AKC MH...big time! My old girl's GMHR was a cake walk compared to her MH. Not like her MH was painful, but NAHRA is forgiving in many areas, including line manners. Not like I know that from experience or anything. 8)

I agree with everything you said other than that NAHRA judges go easy on line manners. As a NAHRA and AKC judge, in my experience, line manners should be judged more critically at the AKC tests than they typically are. Marking is of primary importance but sitting still and being quiet are even more important while hunting. AKC Master does typically have more complicated set up's than NAHRA Senior but to say that NAHRA Senior is easier than AKC Master depends on the dog, the day and the judges.

Lainee's list is by far the most accurate, in my opinion.

Travis

 

[Richard Halstead]

Yep, your initial list is a good start. I'd just add the HRC HR title in there just above the JH. I placed the HRCH title just slightly above the SH. Modified some of the points for the early titles, and sliped the GRHRCH in at the same level as QAA

100 NFC
95 NAFC
80 FC
75 AFC
60 AA points
50 QAA

I dont know where to add CFC & CAFC probably CFC below FC and CAFC below AFC. NFTCH & NAFTCH below the NFC & NAFC.

 

[Polock]

My list:

NFC-NAFC
NFC
NAFC
FC-AFC
FC
AFC
AA Win
AA Points
AA Jams
QAA via Qualifying stake
MNH
GRHRCH
DL
Derby Points
MH
GMHR
MHR
HRCH
SH
HR
WR
Solid Hunting Dog, both waterfowl and upland
WCX
WC
JH
SR
SHR

I tend to agree that the Gnome's list has value, but I replace any of the NAHRA GMHR, MHR, WR & SR spots because they're not Titles.............and replace them with the NFRA Titles that have a Registry......and are true Titles, NFTC, NDC, FTC, MFR, SFR, DFR & JFR................. :wink:

 

[check171]

Check171,

I am a confirmed duface, but I personally in my purchase decisions, don't put FC above NAFC. I think since some amatuers win the Open National would put the Nat. Am above the FC. Just my thoughts. Rip away if you wish. I am just a hunting dog trainer.

tt

I guess i put them together because they are equal its a trial and every dog has its day if we had nationals every weekend most of them would be NFC or NAFC dogs just my opinion .

What are your thoughts all great dogs if they reach those titles .


As for the SRS winners they belong in there somewhere just not sure where .it would be up there though