What is the best drill for cleaning up scalloping? Right now I have been using attrition to where her down.
Scalloping
labman626
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Dennis Voigt has a split drill he describes in Retrievers ONLINE. Different trainers use the term split drill to describe different drills. Check out the one Dennis describes.
Exactly how do you deal with the scallop when it occurs in training?
Do you stop the dog immediately when you read the scallop?
Do you continue to try to get the blind or do you focus on getting the cast?
Exactly how do you deal with the scallop when it occurs in training?
Do you stop the dog immediately when you read the scallop?
Do you continue to try to get the blind or do you focus on getting the cast?
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The best drill work is the Definitive Casting Drills. But you'll need to maintain your casting procedures as well. A scalloped cast is not a defined cast.
There will be many times that inspite of good schooling on accurate literal casts that your dog will still dig back & scallop. You'll have to read that at its inception, stop the dog then & there, and cast more slowly. cast silent, or even stop the dog, call them back, and re-cast. Whatever it takes to make clear to the dog that there is a solid casting standard he must live within.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nNoXQyPz08
There are 6 drills in the definitive casting program.
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I agree. Do this drill myself and it is great too for quick sits and having your dog pay attention to you on whistle sit.
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Remember there are plenty of drills to do for results you want BUT there is a difference from drills to real field casting...careful in the real world...Randy
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Randy,
Would you mind expanding on your advice?
Would you mind expanding on your advice?
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Hey for the newby how bout explaining what scalloping is? Sorry....I'm clueless
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Possibly, but you are certainly not alone. You can be Chairman, and I'll be Hon. Sec.; it won't be long before we have a quorum of the Wossatthen Dog Club.
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What does this mean????
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Since no one else has jumped in, I will give you an amateur's definition of scalloping.
Reference is to handling on a blind.
1. dog is not quite on line.
2. you stop dog
3. give an angle back to right
4. dog turns right, starts on angle back right for very short moment and then decides to go back to more of the line he was on in the first place
5. you obviously have to stop the dog again. If you drew a picture of dog's line from where you stopped him the first time to where you stopped him the second time it looks like the back half of parenthesis ). Thus the scallop.
6. If you give the same cast and he does it again then you will have two ) linked together. He is still making progress to the blind and stopping on the whistle, but is basically giving you two cast refusals. This usually happens because there is some factor(old mark, scent, bird crates, holding blind, white rock, etc.) that is pulling the dog to that old line and the dog thinks he knows better.
7. If you are in a test situation and you want to have a chance of passing the blind you better wait the dog out and give a different cast and then hope that the rest of your blind was pretty darn good.
Colleen
Reference is to handling on a blind.
1. dog is not quite on line.
2. you stop dog
3. give an angle back to right
4. dog turns right, starts on angle back right for very short moment and then decides to go back to more of the line he was on in the first place
5. you obviously have to stop the dog again. If you drew a picture of dog's line from where you stopped him the first time to where you stopped him the second time it looks like the back half of parenthesis ). Thus the scallop.
6. If you give the same cast and he does it again then you will have two ) linked together. He is still making progress to the blind and stopping on the whistle, but is basically giving you two cast refusals. This usually happens because there is some factor(old mark, scent, bird crates, holding blind, white rock, etc.) that is pulling the dog to that old line and the dog thinks he knows better.
7. If you are in a test situation and you want to have a chance of passing the blind you better wait the dog out and give a different cast and then hope that the rest of your blind was pretty darn good.
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I do not know what Randy means by his statement , but this is my take on it.
Just because you drill a dog does not mean that it won't happen in the real world. When it then does happen in the real world you must deal with it , how you deal with it is up to you.
Me personally , depending on the level of the dog, I might tell the dog twice and on the third scallop there might be a nick sit, and on the fourth might be a bit hotter nick. VERY hypothetical mind you............
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It's the same thing as when your done with swim by or big T, if you think your dog is suppose to take an over cast in the field and you correct for it your so wrong. You expect them to know it but they really don't yet. When we teach our dogs to take casts in (transition level) we go to many different fields and teach...teach...teach. When we think they know their lessons in the field and they start to scallop we still don't correct for improper casting we will look for effort. They might over cast sometimes but at least they are trying to something else besides going back from an angle cast. Bridget has the exact thoughts from what I was trying to say earlier, my mistake was I thought people would know and understand the difference between yard and field. Sorry...Randy
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