[windycanyon]

Aside from the fact the Kellogg had some of the oldest chocolate bloodlines around, I've never heard or seen any silver associated with them. I wouldn't take the comment with any measure of credibility. There are many famous chocolates now that go back to Kellogg. Most notable I am aware of are the Gator Point dogs. I have both Gator Point and Kellogg behind my chocolates and no silver.

I have some Kellogg way back also, and haven't yet produced a silver here. Anne

 

[Don Smith]

Of all the groups of people that are supposed to be 'friendly, bond sharing, species caring, animal loving etc.....' sometimes I think Lab people are the worst snobs there are....

There may be some of that. I could be mistaken, but I think the real objection is the silver Lab breeders promoting those dogs as something they're not, i.e. unique, superior, well worth the outrageous prices, etc., just as the objection to certain (not all) British Lab kennels is that to promote their strain, they criticize and denigrate American Labs unjustly, unfairly and inaccurately.

 

[marshmonster]

just as the objection to certain (not all) British Lab kennels is that to promote their strain, they criticize and denigrate American Labs unjustly, unfairly and inaccurately.
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again, more proof of the exact mentality that you quoted from my first post....

"your lab is just as good as my lab, as long as it is the same color, has all the same clearances, and has the same number of HRCH, FC, and AFC parents and grandparents....and you use the same training methods I do, and attend the same seminars, and read the same books."

otherwise, you have a meat dog that the AKC and UKC should shun....



I guess I'll never get it...if someone is stupid enough to spend 2500 on a dog because it looks silver, or has a Cockney accent when it barks, that's their loss? Nowhere does it say that we have to contribute..why does it bother so many.

I saw a wide variety of dogs this past weekend. Some yellow, some almost white, some almost red.some chocolate, some jet black...some with pointed muzzles, some with square heads...some 50 pounds, some 105 pounds

and they all approached the job with tails wagging and a lot of drive. And the handlers were all nervous to start and smiling at the end, pass or fail

and not one 'style' or another did any better than any other....

that's what it should be about...

not trying to start an argument, or defend any one type of dog over another, just pointing out that it really shouldn't matter what others think of us, or what we think of them.....

and Don, you and I are running the same class this weekend in Ohio, I look forward to meeting you. We're both running a "Molly"

 

[Juli H]

Of all the groups of people that are supposed to be 'friendly, bond sharing, species caring, animal loving etc.....' sometimes I think Lab people are the worst snobs there are....

trust me, it isn't just labs...

it boils down to ego - mine is better than yours....and it happens in all breeds...

Juli

 

[Don Smith]

and Don, you and I are running the same class this weekend in Ohio, I look forward to meeting you. We're both running a "Molly"

Had to scratch her sister. She came into season. Running my HRCH/MH Daisy in finished. She just got another Master pass last weekend in a very technical test. Not bad of her for virtually no training this year due to her having pups, my broken ankle and still hanging a little from having pups.

I'm not sure I understand your above post, however. What I was trying to say in mine is that there may be some who are "snobs" based solely on color, but I think that many, including me, don't really care what the dog is except to the extent that the others, whether silver Lab or British Lab, try to promote theirs by tearing down other Labs are claiming they are somehow superior to other Labs. I could care less what someone eslse owns. Heck, I even have a client dog Labradoodle in for gun dog training. I just object to those who try to promote theirs at the expense of others, when, truly, BT Barnum's comment is a more accurate reflection of what they are trying to foist on the unsuspecting buyer.

 

[marshmonster]

we're on the same page....maybe I just didn't word it right

my Molly and Rex are running in Started.

you'll get a kick out of Rex after reading this thread....he's no lab

 

[Lisa Van Loo]

trust me, it isn't just labs...

it boils down to ego - mine is better than yours....and it happens in all breeds...

Juli

Ego, and selection.

If the "rare" color is the primary reason for breeding the dog...whatever breed, then that is emphasis on the wrong syl-LA-ble. On the flipside, if removing the dog from the gene pool is done solely based on color, and no other attributes are taken into consideration, again, emphasis on the wrong syl-LA-ble.

Certainly, if you have a dog that is not of the "accepted" color for show, you do not show it! However, if everything else about the dog is tip-top quality, why would you not breed it? Apples and oranges. I am thinking of a Poodle kennel not far from me, who use piebalds quite a bit in their breeding program, which has produced National Specialty best of Breed winners. That's looking outside conventional beliefs, and considering the whole dog when seleting breeding animals.

If a breeder can't sell dogs by focusing on the positive merits of their own stock, then their dogs are not worth buying. If the only thing they can do is tear down someone else's dogs, they are already starting from the back of the pack. But if their dogs have lots of plusses going for them (health clearances, working qualities, handsome, etc.) and "yeah, also happens to have the dilution gene, stuff happens", well IMHO, no harm, no foul. Trash talk to sell puppies doesn't just happen among those with "different" dogs, but among those with "conventional" ones as well. Maybe moreso, all things considered.

Lisa

 

[leo455]

Two conculsions I have made. Does this happen in the rest of the world or is "silver"only here? What would happen if you generationly back track "silvers to an orgin terrtory like northern Georgia west South Carolina?

 

[bjoiner]

Will the DNA test prove that my pink lab is not a true lab but actually a cross between a lab and Cupid?

Never mind. I just figured out my 6 year-old colored him with Chalk. Dang! I thought I had me a cash cow.

 

[Jerry D Herring]

trust me, it isn't just labs...

it boils down to ego - mine is better than yours....and it happens in all breeds...

Juli

Its true my wiem is better than your lab. LOL JK my dog is just as good as any other dog out there. the difference is that i just like wiems better than labs. doesnt mean wiems are better than labs just a personal preference. and i think that is the deal that people just have many preferences in the types of dogs that they get. like me i prefer the GSP and the Wiem. dont know why just like the looks of the dogs.

 

[Lisa Van Loo]

From the manufacturer of one of the two "breed DNA" tests (the other is Mars, yes, that's right, the candy people!):The Canine Heritage™ XL Breed Test is not designed for use as a purebred or paternity verification test and is not an established legal tool. A kennel or breed club certifies a dog’s breed based on pedigree documentation. If necessary, kennel and breed clubs use legally recognized canine paternity testing to verify relationship. These tests use a different type of DNA analysis than the Canine Heritage™ XL Breed Test.

In other words, this is just for fun, not to be used for pedigree validation or real breed determination. For a company that uses this test to tell people that they can definitely tell if there is Weim in a Lab, when the test's manufacturer says differently, well, draw your own conclu$ion$.

Lisa

 

[dove slayer]

so whats gonna happen if a silver earns his or her fc or afc or something then what

 

[Fowl Play WA]

so whats gonna happen if a silver earns his or her fc or afc or something then what

All the power to them. First they have to enter.

 

[Montview]

Just a thought, what if the dna test proved Silvers were 100 percent lab? Heaven forbid what would we do?

Honestly, being that the majority of "silvers" out there are highly inbred, generation after generation, I wouldn't doubt it. By this stage in their "breeding programs," I don't think the DNA test could not accurately define a breed that was added in multiple generations before.

 

[gsc]

After reading everything, it looks to be that the main fear is that some of the silvers maybe the result of a cross with wiems that was not authorized nor admited when they were registered and that cross bred line is being pertepuated and sold as pure bred and registered as such?

 

[greg magee]

After a quick search I found over 54 threads on silver labs. Why as a group do we feel the need tp perpetuate this kind of discussion? It just seems so pointless.

 

[jimmyp]

man y'all are some hateful folks! I dont know who you guys are harder on people who own pits or people who try to sell silver labs. Im almost afraid to tell you the "dog" Im hunting and training now is possibly only half lab, but she gets the job done and keeps me satisfied. People will buy and sell these dogs as long as their available, just as well suck it up and roll with the punches, DNA test or not there are folks on here who have already stated variouse possibilities for why they still wont believe that these dogs arent pure bred. I agree with a previouse poster that lab people are a tough crowd.
jim

 

[gsc]

Im almost afraid to tell you the "dog" Im hunting and training now is possibly only half lab, jim

The problem only exists when you try and sell your half lab as a purebred registered lab.

 

[Splash_em]

You've gotten volunteers from a couple of other sites. I'll volunteer on this one also.

Send me the info and I'll send you the swaps.

By the way, my silver came from a Kellogs dog.
Sire is Kellogs Vanadium Chip Mc Coy:2c:

I personally don't give a rat's arse if he is purple with 3 legs and barks with a lisp as long as he picks up ducks. I haven't registered the dog but, I have his AKC and UKC paperwork in my hand.

Again, send me the info and you have your swab.

 

[tkgavette@gmail.com]

Wow, yours has Kellogg! My first chocolate had Kellogg, he was a hunting maniac. I know they used to (years ago anyway) breed mostly chocolate so that makes sense. And as far as testing my silver, bring it on. I'm in. If you saw his build you would never doubt his dna.... like the previous poster - he hunts, retreives and is a big goofy, loveable dog and thats what matters. So since you all - well most of you anyway - think they are part weim what do you think white labs and red labs are crossed with? Just curious?