FYI. This season's SRS programs began today on Versus. Show is Wednesday at 10 AM and repeated Sunday at 2:30 PM -eastern time I think.
Super Retriever Series
M&K's Retrievers
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First event of the year was a club event for women handlers and we used real birds. How many watched the first world retriever championship. Real birds used and the network people raised cane. Why is it every year we go through the same discussion. We use atb's not real birds for tv. I don't care who you are if any Joe smo turns on the tv and sees 2 guys throw a live bird in the air and blast the @&$& out of it they will be turned off. We no the game and understand they don't. If you like to play a game that is challenging and just another way to have fun with dogs try srs. If you don't like the fact we use fake birds for tv I'm sorry. Those of you that say you'll never run an srs event because of the bird situation might be nervous about the set ups more than the birds. It's not a ft, it's not a ht, it's a wild game.
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That's an apples and oranges comparison as you're still talking about legal hunting where the animal is still going to be harvested and used for food, at least that's the pretense. Field trials and hunting tests have no such pretenses; they are contrived by their very nature. The ducks that are killed are killed for the sake of the dog game, that's it. I'm not saying we should apologize for this. Heck, I put a wounded duck (wings were already clipped) out of its misery by the side of the road last weekend. It became part of my training duck supply. I'm just saying you have to look at things from a different perspective in order to not raise any red flags and just go about your business. I remember when regular network TV had sportsman shows such as "American Sportsman" with Curt Gowdy on Saturday afternoons. About all you'll find now is Buck McNeely on at 5:00 AM or 1:00 AM. That should tell you that times have changed.
Think of this like a questionable home office tax deduction. Sure, it may be legitimate but if going for it increases your chances of getting audited (which it does by the way), why bother? The risk outweighs the potentially small reward.
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Back to the original topic, I watched the show today and found out you can only train 10 days a year and still have your dog QAA.......
Also seemed to me like alot of the dogs were creeping quite a bit
just my observation
Also seemed to me like alot of the dogs were creeping quite a bit
just my observation
Turbo dog
I also think they said he "trains" 10 days a year in addition to hunting. I'd say that dog has been doing quite a bit of hunting.
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My opinion on using live ducks or even dead ones is that 95% of the people who are going to watch the SRS are either hunters or in the games. So why cow tow to the 5%?
Guess what my satellite provider has included the LOGO channel in my service (that's the gay and lesbian channel for those who don't know), but I don't watch it. If I did watch it, I wouldn't get offended that they show two guys kissing or whatever else goes on over there and then expect them to sensor that out. Or if you want to compare apples to apples then I wouldn't expect them to insert a blow up doll for one of the guys. My point is that there are anti's for about everyone or everything imaginable and there is no sense trying to soften your view for them, let alone try to convert them.
Guess what my satellite provider has included the LOGO channel in my service (that's the gay and lesbian channel for those who don't know), but I don't watch it. If I did watch it, I wouldn't get offended that they show two guys kissing or whatever else goes on over there and then expect them to sensor that out. Or if you want to compare apples to apples then I wouldn't expect them to insert a blow up doll for one of the guys. My point is that there are anti's for about everyone or everything imaginable and there is no sense trying to soften your view for them, let alone try to convert them.
The 10-day comment about Boo by the commentators didn’t tell the whole story by any means. The owner/handler of Boo during that SRS event did train on his own very sparingly, but the dog’s history shows a much different picture.
Boo was originally owned by my dear friend Gene Taylor who worked with Boo twice a day almost everyday before her 14th month old birth day. Gene entered his first field trial with Boo where she won the derby. The littermate, Piper, owned and trained by me took third. Gene entered a couple of more derbies and I believe ended up with 8 points on her before he sent her to me. He wanted her to come here because I have access to much better grounds. Boo and Piper quickly made the derby list and moved on to the Q. Getting Boo the QAA status was just a matter of lining her up and not getting in her way. She placed second in a Q and then followed that shortly with a win. Gene decided to sell her against my advice, but sell her he did. The buyer was totally new to the dog games, and in my opinion, didn’t fully understand what he was getting into. Boo basically sat in a kennel for nearly a year and a half after the Nebraska SRS event. Boo is now with another owner who seems to have the dedication to bring Boo back into form. Lucky for me, the new owner is now my regular training partner. He entered her in two quals to gain handling experience. Boo placed second in one, and jammed the other one. She still does some things amazingly well for being idle for so long.
Little Boo remains one of the most stylish, fun dogs that I’ve ever had the pleasure to train and run. She will be back.
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Good story! Thanks for sharing the whole truth. Boo looks like she has a lot of fire.
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I figured there was more to the story, but to the average viewer, QAA comes across as being easy to obtain along with all the other achievements of most of the dogs in the series.
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That's the problem with a made for TV event.
Just like anything else on TV for that matter.
The general public see's what somebody wants them to see, not what it really is.
But who cares right? It's a business.
I'd ask, is it really.......really.......is it really good for dogs?
I know my answer but that horse hasn't kicked since...
11th place regards,
You know that let you point out guns in ft scenarios now.
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Matt,
Great post. Are you guys back or do you just have more bandwidth than I'm used to?
Chuck
Great post. Are you guys back or do you just have more bandwidth than I'm used to?
Chuck
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huh...........?Matt,
Great post. Are you guys back or do you just have more bandwidth than I'm used to?
Chuck
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You know Ken, I have to agree with you on that one. For example its like watching those boys on TV playing baseball. Ask any baseball fan and he'll argue till he's blue in the face that baseball players are athletes. I mean really, athletes? Seriously?
/Paul
Exactly! Especially those fat arse catchers!
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Im fairly new to this game so I dont have a whole lot of knowledge of the rubber vs real debate but it would seem to me that if the dogs dont care, why should I?
Now before I get jumped on, hear me out. One of the SRS's main sponsors manufactures rubber birds, rubber birds make the TV folks happy, and the SRS being televised gets the sport out there in the public eye. Isnt that a good thing? Is'nt everybody happy now? Sponsors, TV people, DOGS. IF, and I dont know that it was, but IF rubber vs. real would have been something that kept the SRS off TV should SRS have said, "well screw it, if we cant use real birds, we just wont televise it." Who wins in that situation? The "real bird" purists?
Dont lose sight of the big picture here, more exposure = more people playing these games. Thats a good thing IMO.
Now before I get jumped on, hear me out. One of the SRS's main sponsors manufactures rubber birds, rubber birds make the TV folks happy, and the SRS being televised gets the sport out there in the public eye. Isnt that a good thing? Is'nt everybody happy now? Sponsors, TV people, DOGS. IF, and I dont know that it was, but IF rubber vs. real would have been something that kept the SRS off TV should SRS have said, "well screw it, if we cant use real birds, we just wont televise it." Who wins in that situation? The "real bird" purists?
Dont lose sight of the big picture here, more exposure = more people playing these games. Thats a good thing IMO.
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Chris I think what worries people is that this will catch on and they will start using the rubber ducks in HT's and FT's
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Well that is a valid concern Scott. Has there been a big push from any of these wacko groups to go to rubber birds only? I mean, its a dumb argument really. Its no different in my mind than growing chickens to kill and eat. I guess thats the reason we call em chicken mallards around here
I do understand the "give em an inch and they'll take a mile" point of view but dang, life would be so much simpler without extremists, wouldnt it?
I do understand the "give em an inch and they'll take a mile" point of view but dang, life would be so much simpler without extremists, wouldnt it?
This might sound contradictory, but I'd say that's more likely to happen if they start using real ducks on TV.
As it stands, there seems to be enough interest in using rubber ducks for TV AND real ducks at FT/HTs. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
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I'm not really worried about it myself but I think there are those that are and whether their fears are founded are not I think they believe that they might get pushed in to using them not so much from the extremists as from the rubber duck manufacturer using the extremists to sell their product.
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Matt....the other Matt!
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