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Do you give supplements to your retrievers? If so, what do you use and what do you use it for?

Here's a few that I use and have used with good results.

I have used K-Zyme...a powder on their food that is a concentrated vitamin and mineral with K, biotin and zinc with additional fatty acids. Helps in their recovery from hard workouts and aids in their food utilization. I have seen reduced stool amounts with this stuff. 1# bucket is $10 and will feed several dogs for a while.

Canine Red Cell...heavy duty vitamin/iron/mineral supplement that really builds the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood. A very good endurance building item. It's expensive...$22/gallon. So I get the equine red cell and cut it down half and half with water. I like to use this when I'm hunting a lot in cold weather.

When conditioning dogs...I have used Creatine Forte. Builds muscle in a hurry. Only for dogs in a good workout regimen. Builds beautiful definition with out over-bulking. 60 tablets for $8.

A good product for hard working dogs is Carbo Load. Really helps in the tissue and muscle developement and builds stamina and endurance. I give a little extra the night before a competition or heavy hunting. 2.5# for $14.

Something I keep my dogs on year round is SOD 4000. SOD stands for super oxide dismutase an organic that comes from bovine tissue extract. It is a very potent antioxidant. Research has shown that SOD is one of the most important enzymes used for production of free radicals.....it keeps cell membranes from breaking down. Humans produce quite a bit of SOD naturally. Research on humans and animals have found that those with higher levels of SOD are healthier and live longer. 60 tabs for $6.

I learned about these supplements from greyhound trainers and sleddog competitors. I used them to very good effect when I was field-trialing pointing dogs.

Now labs are more sprinters than endurance athletes but during FT/HT and hunting season, my guys get a lot of activity in some not too nice of weather and conditions. To me, their conditioning over the long haul is important and this stuff has helped reduce soreness/stiffness and going off feed.

The quantities I provided lasts almost the whole season, so the investment is stretched over quite a bit of time. The SOD, Creatine and Carbo is all made by Thomas Labs....they produce for only for the animal athlete.

Another home remedy that an old pointing dog trainer told me about is using Geritol Complete for pregnant and whelping bitches. One tablet every other day really pours the iron and mineral into the bitch and the puppies and after birth, really builds the milk supply. You want SUPER puppies....puppies that are healthier and gain weight and strength faster?
This stuff really works. Start giving the last 2 weeks of gestation. For large litters you can go to everyday use until they are eating dry food.

You all got any secrets?
 
I give my golden MSM/Glucosamine/Chondroitin and Vitamin C.
 
I take care of mine with Elements R, J, It is a water additive. After a long hunt or training R replaces lost nutrients. Unlike gatorade that induces urination R replaces. J is for joint care. Good stuff in my opinion.
 
Cosequin DS (combination of high purity glucosamine, low molecular weight chondroitin sulfate and manganese ascorbate) for joint health.

Bertes Immune Blend (a mix of vitamins, digestive enzymes, probiotics) for digestive health.

Bertes Salmon Oil (Omega-3 essential fatty acids eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaneoic acid (DHA)) for skin and coat health.
 
I have Kona on a daily dose of Nupro Joint Formula, flaxseed oil, fish oil,vitamin e, apple cider vinegar,cold pressed coconut oil, and Bug Off Garlic. He also gets a can of sardines 3x a week. On long training days he gets an electroloyte replacement made by Nupro.
 
I have Kona on a daily dose of Nupro Joint Formula, flaxseed oil, fish oil,vitamin e, apple cider vinegar,cold pressed coconut oil, and Bug Off Garlic. He also gets a can of sardines 3x a week. On long training days he gets an electroloyte replacement made by Nupro.
Bug Off Garlic?? I have got to get me some of that!! Anything that'll allow me and Quest to train these days... frick the bugs are SOOO bad. Just picture me in a bug suit constantly brushing off Quest as she tries to poop, with 100s of mosquitoes swarming around us!

I don't know to much about supplements, but I use what my breeder recommended;

Missing Link (did you know that this has to be kept refrigerated...?)
Vitamin C
Glucosamine
Glyco-Flex
 
I have always wondered if there were any long term side effects from using human supplements on dogs.
Example: Cosamin is for humans (made by the same company that makes Cosaquin and Dausaquin). Cosamin is cheaper, but in capsule form. The dog formulas are available in chewable.
 
I was looking up the Garlic bug off and found a dealer called Spring Time. They have a number of interesting products. Has anyone ever used the longevity stuff. Looks like a good all in one.

http://http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/121/2

I have been using Springtime's Longevity on my dogs for several years now. When I first gave it to my old dog (12 or so) there was a noticeable difference in his energy and mobility. I give modest amounts to my young dogs.
 
Grand H.A. Synergy (Horse/Dog supplement-Glucosamine, Chondroitin, MSM, H.A.& vitamins)
fish oil
 
Is it just me, but are all these supplements necessary? We spend good money for the best food we can buy, that has supposedly been thoroughly researched for the right nutrition, and yet we are all so willing to add the best part of a chemistry set to their diet. Due to my pup's recent xrays and hip problems, we are starting a regimen that includes glucosamine, etc. But...even then the vet tells me there is no science to show that it makes a significant difference. They can not prove that the dogs can even use the nutrients efficiently. The reasoning is that it can not hurt, and some people have seen improvements in their dog's condition and do attribute it to the supplement. So yes, I'll use it and do the other things advised, keep him thin and strong. But all these other things??? Where is the science in any of it? I am more than willing to read the information if it is out there, I never say never.
 
Carol,
Dr. Sherman has some research on his website, as does Marina.
I go by what works. Most of the stuff I use also works for horses, or what the breeders I know who have been around for 50 years use.
I don't think one food can have everything, and I switch food every now and then, as I have read a lot of things that say a change in protein is good for the dogs. In addition, my repro vet said to use a senior vitamin and Extra omega 3's same thing my collie breeder said.
On the flip side, two of my breeder friends feed what I consider middle of the road, and their dogs look great.
 
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Carol....all the products that I posted originally are supplements that I have seen make a difference. As a former trainer, I had a set budget. If something didn't have a noticeable difference, i wasn't going to spend the money.

Got to watch any equine supplements, the dosages are way off for dogs.
 
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