[Steve Hamel]

Marking scenario: (AKC MH level distances)

Lets say the first bird is in deep center field. Second bird is thrown from first base, high and short angling in and back. Third bird is from third base , thrown high, in, and short toward pitches mound. The marks are not converging, but very tight from the line. (home base)

If the dog is having a hard time remembering the deep center field mark , after picking up the two shorter marks, how would you help him/her to do better on this type of a scenario ?

Lately, I've been setting up these type of scenarios, and running the long bird as a single. After doing some other work, I'll come back and show them the whole triple. Seems to be helping.

Any suggestions, comments ......


Steve

 

[KwickLabs]

I'm going to have to deal with this soon. Would being two-sided be an advantage? The "easy" cue vs. not would help.

 

[Diane Brunelle]

Marking scenario: (AKC MH level distances)

Lets say the first bird is in deep center field. Second bird is thrown from first base, high and short angling in and back. Third bird is from third base , thrown high, in, and short toward pitches mound. The marks are not converging, but very tight from the line. (home base)

If the dog is having a hard time remembering the deep center field mark , after picking up the two shorter marks, how would you help him/her to do better on this type of a scenario ?

Lately, I've been setting up these type of scenarios, and running the long bird as a single. After doing some other work, I'll come back and show them the whole triple. Seems to be helping.

Any suggestions, comments ......


Steve

Hi Steve,

We just had this exact set-up last week-end in training.....The way we ran it with the dog that has trouble remembering the long middle mark, was the run the long mark as as single, retire to the blind while another dog ran and then came back out and put it together as a triple. Just as you describe. Dog then pinned all three marks. That seemed to work for us.

I'd be interested to hear other ideas, too.
Diane

 

[Guest]

First, for younger, less experienced dogs, we'd run it as singles in the same order we would like to pick it up as a triple with the older dogs. Then we build it up as double-singles or single-doubles... Putting together combinations that increase in difficulty based on the experience of the dog. Then throw it as a triple when we think the dog can do it... This is over the course of months in many cases... Or rather, over the early training of the dog -- for example, young dogs that are not ready for multiples will see stuff like this frequently, but thrown as singles... When they're doing moderate doubles, we might throw the two outside birds as a double then go up the middle last as a single....

All of our young dogs run most older dog setups broken down as singles (we might move the line or do something with the gunner or bird to help on a mark) so it's not such a big transition when they're older trying to teach them the "tough triple"...

-K

 

[Tim Carrion]

In addition to Kristie's comments when doing this as a true triple initially keep the long gun visible.

JMO

Tim

 

[paul young]

Kristie and Tim have given solid advice on this, Steve. the best training for triples is the single-double and double-single setups.

Diane, IMO, avoid what you say you were doing. i believe this has the unwanted effect of teaching the dog that it's ok to go back to an old fall.-Paul

 

[mostlygold]

I'll have to try the double-single approach with my dog for the indent triple. I just can't seem to get him to go for that indent bird second. He wants long again, but when he comes back he has no memory of the middle short bird. Maybe doing the "go" bird, then picking up the short indent birds as a double and doing the long memory bird as a single for a while will help solidify that indent bird. Certainly worth a try.

 

[Brad B]

I would also try having that long gunner re-throw with no shot after picking up the two outside marks. Also keep the gunner visible. If your training with visible gunners at all stations, maybe have the outside two guns sit down or retire to de-empasize them.

But first I'd start off with the all singles, double-single progression if it's a dog that's new to this.

 

[Angie B]

I would just have the bird boy stand up. Throwing another bird like Brad said would help too.

The biggest thing is getting him relaxed and confident remembering that long bird. You can do that also by running delayed triples and out of order marks.

Flexability running a tight triple regardless of the order helps a lot.

Angie

 

[Aussie]

The marks are not converging, but very tight from the line. (home base)


Steve

Steve, tight from the line? Does that translate to, AOF/marks being tight in the field?

Did the dog "look" right at the line? Tail, spine and brain aligned?