[EdA]

it says that the whistle is the one piece of training equipment that can carried exposed by the handler......
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the pertinent word being "can" not shall or should....;-)

 

[john fallon]

OK so it's illegal to yell sit and give him the finger?

That seems unfair given how many times I get the middle paw!

I can't argue with any of that...............

john

 

[DarrinGreene]

I can't argue with any of that...............

john

I know, I've seen your dog run in training

 

[john fallon]

This does bring up an interesting topic regaring whistles, verbals & guestures.

What IS allowed?

Are you allowed to say "sit" and "toot the whistle" ?

Can you give a verbal "back" while raising your arm?

So because of the inability of anyone to as yet rebut the fact, it seems that by default we may assume that is no rule mandated reason to use a whistle while handling at an AKC FT.

That leads us to the part of TN_LAB's question regarding verbals and gestures.

So, putting aside THREATINING GESTURES as one thing that is by mandate against the RR&G, where do all of the rest of the prohibitions come from?

We all know that we normally cannot say anything to your dog from the time you signal for the birds until the birds are down and the judge releases you to send your dog, but during the rest of the time it seems that there is a lot of misinformation and conjecture as to what is in fact prohibited by a mandate by the RR&G.

As was alluded to earlier to one pair of stalwarts even words of praise and or encouragement were illegal....perhaps they fell under the threatening gesture umbrella

What else is not allowed to be said to a dog while under judgement?

john

 

[EdA]

Peruse Field Trial Rules & Standard Procedures for Retrievers, search for forbidden words and phrases

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

So none of you guys remember Molson??


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[Doug Grant]

Dave Elliot was the first trainer to use a whistle when training retrievers. A trainer from Ontario named Bill Hutchison, who had several Canadian Field Tial champions, never used a whistle; he just whistled through his teeth. No problem with that.
Judges started to be really careful about anyone carrying "intimidating" articles to line; when Louise Belmont had to use a cane, no judge would have dared to object. I have a friend who has just lost his voice due to cancer surgery. I taught him how to send his dog with a 'snap' from his fingers. One of my friends sent his dog that way back in the 60's, and no one objected. I have also shown this person a few other methods to use when handling his dogs without using his voice. Of course, he will use a battery-operated whistle. No judge would even think about objecting to these methods being used by a handicapped person in this day and age.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Nice thread...

 

[paul young]

i remember Molson (and Shawn).

let's see, i remember "gee, haw, gee back, haw back and stooie". did i miss any Ken?

the guy referenced that Gary Erickson wrote about was definitely robbed. probably lost a good addition to the HT community there..... -Paul