[Trevor Toberny]

Says me. My name and user name etc. are clearly visable on my post.

Congrats, is that a rule? Why not just make your real name your profile name?

 

[Dustin D]

Drill: any strict, methodical, repetitive, or mechanical training, instruction, or exercise. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/drill

Not for me. I may theme a concept in different places over a period of time but I do not repetitively run a set-up.

I know what 'drill' means Glen, thanks

Just wondering for folks who have limited training grounds. Are even folks who have a Technical Pond. How many times can you run something different on the same pond?

I guess you just have to get creative.





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[Angie B]

I know what 'drill' means Glen, thanks

Just wondering for folks who have limited training grounds. Are even folks who have a Technical Pond. How many times can you run something different on the same pond?

I guess you just have to get creative.





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Limited grounds are a booger. I don't think anyone has unlimited grounds,, at least not within reasonable driving distance.

Yes you get creative.. Very, very creative...

Angie

 

[Wayne Nutt]

We have 35 acres at the kennel and you can do a lot if you are creative on this amount of space. For young dogs this is fine but with older dogs there isn't an inch of ground at the kennel they haven't stepped on multiple times. For these dogs and the others I have to travel about 10 miles to a large ranch we have access to (about 400 acres). For really complex water the travel time is much greater, about 60 miles.

It has been so muddy lately that I haven't been able to get into the large ranch very far so it has been a challege for my one remaining older dog. The only gravel roads are the ones leading to the gas wells just a couple hundred yds into the ranch. From then on dirt roads.

So, this is what I have to work with as it relates to grounds.

 

[captainjack]

Congrats, is that a rule? Why not just make your real name your profile name?

It is for me. As a general rule, I don't run drills unless there is some issue/problem that I need to work on. You asked a question, "why not?", I told you why I don't do it.

If you didn't want an answer, you should re-phrase your reply so that it isn't in the form of a question. This ain't Jeopardy.

Read Dennis Voigt's post at the link I shared. More reasons why not. http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=56664

 

[Mary Lynn Metras]

I have a 9 mo old so I guess I am into drills. That is part of his diet so he gets the basics down pat. But I balance this with obedience and marks. Having said that I still like to revisit DT, swim by and some lining drills with an older dog. I will also do lining to the pile to correct problems. But now we are into summer here in Ontario??? in March we are doing water and land setups with blinds. Just the way we have always trained IMO. I would agree if you go over board on any aspect of training it won't be beneficial for the dog.

 

[Evan]

I also do lots of pattern blinds but that wasn't one of the items mentioned. If the AA trainer you are talking about does just the swimby part and it's in a different location that is find. Remember I said per se. The part that I wouldn't repeat is the straight backs to the pile over and over.

Again lots of trainers do things differently.

Wayne,

I'm with you on this. Going back to the drills of Basics is not taboo. But it should not be necessary if you've maintained your fundamental skills as you've gone along. That includes Swim-by. If you did a sound job of Swim-by in the first place, maintaining it would be much more effectively done in practical applications, such as Tune-up drills or cheating singles, than by going back to the basic Swim-by drill. Dogs can relate practical applications better than the mechanical atmosphere of the yard drill for it.

Sometimes, as a pro, it was necessary for me to take a dog back through Basic drills, but that was usually because whoever did the dog's
Basics didn't do them right to start with, or didn't keep them maintained - so that they fell into disrepair.

Evan

 

[TN_LAB]

I'd run cheating singles and tune up drills rather than revisit the swim-by pond, FWIW.

 

[Angie B]

Cheating singles is a part of maintenance. Something that always needs review.

Angie

 

[Olddog]

I think I read someplace that one of the big name west coast pros uses pattern blinds for a lot of his blind work. I know it seems to take some maintenance to maintain skills in my dogs, maybe it is just my lack of training ability.

 

[captainjack]

I think I read someplace that one of the big name west coast pros uses pattern blinds for a lot of his blind work. I know it seems to take some maintenance to maintain skills in my dogs, maybe it is just my lack of training ability.

What skills are you trying to maintain by going back to pattern blinds? Might you be able to maintain these skills during your field work, maybe with 3 to 5-peat blinds for example?

 

[Evan]

What skills are you trying to maintain by going back to pattern blinds? Might you be able to maintain these skills during your field work, maybe with 3 to 5-peat blinds for example?

I fully agree!

Evan

 

[Wayne Nutt]

Longgggg wagon wheel. I agree peats are best.

 

[Dustin McBride]

What skills are you trying to maintain by going back to pattern blinds? Might you be able to maintain these skills during your field work, maybe with 3 to 5-peat blinds for example?

Are you talking about running the same blind 3-5 times in the same session or are you talking about something different?

If re-running the blinds, do you do it back to back to teach the concept/skill you are working on, or do you mix it up with something else so not to run em back-to-back?

 

[Wayne Nutt]

No, 3-5 peats means three to five different cold blinds. Generally they incorporate the same concept. For instance, you might have a small pond that you are trying to get the dog to go in and cross from a distance. You would run the blind three times but from three different starting points and the bumpers in different places but crossing the pond each time. Thus the name three peats. I think Dennis Voigt or Mike Lardy or someone coined the term. The goal is to keep from rerunning the same blind but work on the same concept.

I don't have Evan's drafting skills on the computer, maybe he can illustrate the above for everyone.

 

[Dustin D]

Post #19 below might help;
http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=73545&page=3

 

[Wayne Nutt]

Yes, see #19. 2 and 3 meet my definition of a two peat, crossing a road at angles (but at different angles as crossing the pond at different angles). I'm not sure about 1.

 

[Evan]

Longgggg wagon wheel.

AKA Split Drills?

Evan

 

[captainjack]

Are you talking about running the same blind 3-5 times in the same session or are you talking about something different?

If re-running the blinds, do you do it back to back to teach the concept/skill you are working on, or do you mix it up with something else so not to run em back-to-back?

Not the same blind, but same concept. Crosswind blinds is an example (more so for FT than HT because wind is more of a factor over longer distances). Run 3 to 5 long, crosswind blinds starting with the line quartering down wind and each blind getting more crosswind until quartering into the wind. You do these back-to-back, handling when the dog gives in to the wind. Other examples are angling a ditch, crossing a road, or angling into cover. With angles, start with crossing the factor square and increase the angle with each successive blind.