How old is she and has she not been collar conditioned?

 

She is 11 months and she was collar conditioned at the pro that had her for 5 months.

 

What method would you employ to teach whistle stop without a check cord.
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my voice

I have seen this. Some do not work well with the rope. You see it a lot at a junior test with the dog on a rope on 2 legs. Take the rope off and it heels like a pro. Dogs


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I think that she is one of those dogs. Pro said she just doesn't like being worked on the cord. And I am not sure if it is worth the time to break her of this because she is about done with the cord anyway. She is fine on walks, heeling, sitting on a cord. But, she is particularly hesitant to take a command that is away from me with a cord.

Will you expand on your voice? She will sit at a short distance away in normal family conditions. Do you try to send her and sit her with your voice or do you try to sit her coming in from a retrieve? Coming in seems easier.

 

How did Walking Fetch and Force to Pile (9 bumper) go?

 

She was at a pro through FTP. But, she was very slow, 2 months, in forcing to the ground. After she got that she flew through Walking Fetch and FTP.

I was told by the pro that she has a lot of marking talent and that she has the ability to do whatever I want her to do. But, she is not as trainable as many dogs.

 

Now you know why I always say you can't teach dogs by watching a DVD. I don't use check cords that often. 3 handed casting hardly ever. Sitting to a whistle, hardly ever. Teach whistle sits on a leash at heel. Transition to distance. You already answered the question about casting.

/Paul

 

Reading books, watching DVD's and asking questions on RTF are the best options I have. No doubt there is no substitute for experience. I try to go watch guys work dogs as much as I can.

I know you weren't attacking me. I agree that you can't pick up a book or DVD and be a dog trainer any better than you pick up a book about football and be able to play.

She does sit on the whistle at heel or front sit.

 

Will she do other things she wants to do while on a check cord? Will she run through a field, chase a bumper, etc. with a check cord on? Play, eat dinner, sleep?

What did you do as a puppy to let her get used to a cord on her collar? Did you let her run around the house, yard, etc. dragging a cord? Did she ever get so accustomed to it that she ignored it?

JS

 

The check cord has always been a problem for her. She is ok if the cord is not in her way. I can put her on leash and she is fine. She will retrieve a fun bumper with a cord but it noticeably bothers her. She runs around it and if she gets even the slightest tangle she stops, hops or fights it until it is free. (Basically on the way in)

Yes. I let her run around the house as a puppy with a leash. It was ok until it got in her way and she had problems then also.

She would never ignore it. It always bothered her.

 

I don't know this to be the case but it's funny that no one mentioned too much pressure. If she is on the sensitive side, too much pressure from the check cord can shut them down real quick. I've got a little girl like that. Extremely talented but sensitive.

 

It was unclear to me if you were following Smartworks or just had the one casting dvd.
Are you following Smartworks? Or do you just have the one dvd?

Evan has a free downloadable flow chart.

Look at it for your next steps. Above post is correct. You are getting ahead of yourself with cold blinds. Sounds like he is still in basics and not ready for transition yet. From what I read he hasn't done the last two steps in basics yet: T or TT and swimby.

 

I have the entire collection of Smarktwork by Evan. I purchased them while my pup was at a pro. I started Smartwork this month when I got my pup back and am using his flow chart and dvds. The problem is that I am kinda jumping into Evan's DVD's in the middle since she was at a pro for 5 months. She has had everything up to 3 handed Casting including cc so I am starting at 3 handed casting and going on.

Absolutely on the cold blinds. I am not trying to have her do cold blinds. I was trying to define that she does not do them and didn't think she was suppose to yet.

Yes. She is in basics. I still have to do 3 handed casting, basic handling, water force and swim-by. She has already been CC at the pro.

 

The first thing I would suggest is to go through all the basic processes yourself, and check them out. I'm doubting your pro; I'm suggesting due diligence. Make sure things are in there the way you want them, and then progress step be step from where you believe your dog really is. We'll deal with the rope thing. But my suggestion is first things first.

Feel free to email me anytime to rushcreekpress@aol.com if you have any aspect of this you need to have more detail about.

Evan

 

What I am hearing is that I must break her check cord phobia to progress. Is this correct? I will do that if that is what I need to do so that I don't have problems later on.

It would sure be nice to teach her whistle sit without a check cord so that I had an alternative method of correction that does not bother her.

BTW, I simplified this afternoon and did the following with no cord:
6 back casts from heel to pile
6 right backs from front sit to pile
6 left backs from front sit to pile
6 left overs from front sit to pile
6 right overs from front sit to pile

She was flawless. Did exactly what I asked.

We will do the same tomorrow with right back left over and left back right over.

Then, we will get back into the problem where she wants to go left over when I send her left back and right over when I send her right back. That is where I put the cord on her so that I could have some correction and she has problems with the cord.

Obviously, I will stop with the training sessions on 3 handed casting if I need to first break the cord phobia.

 

What I am hearing is that I must break her check cord phobia to progress. Is this correct? ......

nope,
and I tell folk to use rope all the time.
you just showed yourself what you can do without
try some random off leash sits in the morning airing.
often a soft but loving dog in tune with an owner
learn greatness.... with just a voice.
some dogs just do not do well on ropes


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One other option would be to try a retractable lead they come in 26ft lengths so it limits distance work. the dog will never get tangled or step on the line. I absolutely hate them but it might work well with your dog.
Other option would be to simply ask your pro how to procede. most pros will help out former clients if they have a problem.

 

I think I have one. I will sneak it in and see what happens.

Pro said it is hard to evaluate what is going on with a dog without seeing her and working her. Just to keep simplifying and repetitions until she get it.