I had Briley do one years ago, but it was not 600 dollars! Seems like they called the chokes "thinwalls" back then. I was happy with the service/patterns. I sold the gun to someone who wanted it a lot worse than I did.

The down side is your warranty just went "POOF" when they counterbore the barrel set for choke tubes.

 

Briley is the place to go. Many chokes available and do great work, which they back up no questions asked.

The gun can be ruined in a heartbeat in this procedure - don't take any chances with cut rate places.

Briley is the father of all the choke tube processes. I have several Briley chokes and have used them for 25 years or more.

I have been a serious trap shooter off and on for many years. Those guys don't fool around with their guns, as all of them are in the $5,000 to $10,000 dollar range. They all use Briley.

 

gulfcoast is correct, they are called Briley thin wall chokes and its not cheap and in many cases not cost effective....what makes it difficult is that you are trying to expand a cylinder(bbl) to constrict that barrel with a choke....you might be better off to have them bore out the existing constriction..i.e. if they are currently M/F have them done to a IC/LM

 

gulfcoast is correct, they are called Briley thin wall chokes and its not cheap and in many cases not cost effective....what makes it difficult is that you are trying to expand a cylinder(bbl) to constrict that barrel with a choke....you might be better off to have them bore out the existing constriction..i.e. if they are currently M/F have them done to a IC/LM

That is my suggestion as well. I know guys who change tubes around as they shoot sporting clays, but I can truthfully say that I haven't changed my tubes one time since I screwed in the improved cylinder under barrel, modified into the upper barrel sixteen years ago. That combination works well with lead shot upland hunting and steel shoot duck hunting. My gunsmith charges about $30.00 per barrel to open the choke up a bit.

John

 

I got a great deal on a Browning Citori with fixed choke barrels. Has anyone ever sent a barrel set off to get the barrels threaded for choke tubes? I noticed Briley offers the service for around 600 dollars. Carlson also offers the service for around 200 bucks. Can anyone comment on either of these places and their services or possible recommend a different place they had good luck with? I have had great results using Carlson chokes in my Benelli. Is there a down side to installing choke tubes? It would make a great pheasant/quail gun (Mod and Full barrels). Unfortunately I don't hunt either with any regularity.

Just curious, but what do you estimate your net out of pocket cost to be if you sold your fixed choke gun an then bought (a used) one with the factory screw ins? The used one you buy would most likely come with a set if chokes too (not sure if prices you quoted include chokes?)

 

I've used Carlson, the threads are called "Tru Choke", I've had a model 37 Ithaca, & Remington 1100 barrel done, They do good job and both guns shoot POA to POI. Below is a OD barrel chart for the installation of the Tru Choke system.

12 ga. lead shot and steel shot system .825
12 ga. lead shot system only, no magnum loads or steel .805
20 ga. lead and steel shot system .700
10 ga. lead and steel shot choke system .890

The thin walled tubes are the ones for the .805 outside diameter barrels

The Biakal and the Remingtons made by Biakal (453, ect) all take the Tru Choke, Chokes

 

Had Briley install thin walls in two of my doubles---five choke included in price $499.00 each (last Jan) service and quality of work great...that said Normals idea might be best

 

What choke would you feel that you'll be using/want and for hunting what creature?

 

Thanks for the great discussion. Selling the gun is not an option as it is a gift from a family member that has passed. I would be willing to bet this gun has killed thousands of pheasants. I would love it to be IC and LM to use for shooting at retriever events (light steel loads) on nice days or at the trap/sheet range. I don't plan on duck hunting with it as it means too much to me to get wet and muddy. I may dove hunt with it, maybe. It is 2 3/4 only.

I measured that OD of the barrels at lunch, top was .809 and bottom was about .804 in. I am thinking even thin wall chokes wont work with these tube diameters.

Is there a market for used barrels sets, maybe I can pick one of those up. Or call about opening the ends up a little.

edit: Street value on this gun is maybe $800-1000 so $500-600 on getting chokes installed is a bit crazy.

 

I'd take it to a "Qualified" gunsmith and have him open up the chokes to what ever you want
Here's where I'd send the barrels to
http://www.americhoke.com/

 

I would not shoot steel through that fine old double.

Infact I bet the barrels are not steel approved

If it were mine, I woul leave the chokes alone, and invest in a cheap
Shot shell reloading press. It is quite amazing what you can do with
Reloading components , particularly wads, spreader wads to be specific

That citori is just to nice a gun to alter it from factory

Leave it alone and just shoot it with lead or nice shot for the non fox

Just my opinion

Gooser

 

If I go with this option it will be as it has for the past 12 years.... sitting in a gun safe. Seems a shame to me. The barrel does say "Steel" on it. I will take some pictures tonight. I will be the first to admit I know nothing about this gun or older Brownings. I remember is says Belgium on the top barrel too. All I know is it swings smooth as silk, 28" barrels and just feels right on my shoulder.

 

once again, the Cream that we call Gooser, comes to the top!


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BROWNING CHOKES AND THEIR CODES (ON REAR LEFT-SIDE OF BARREL)

* designates full choke (F).

*- designates improved modified choke (IM).

** designates modified choke (M).

**- designates improved cylinder choke (IC).

**$ designates skeet (SK).

*** designates cylinder bore (CYL).

INV. designates barrel is threaded for Browning Invector choke tube system.

INV. PLUS designates back-bored barrels

 

I will check my barrels again when I get home, this info above is what I found on wiki answers too.

Again thanks for all the help.

 

pictures of the barrel markings.

On the one side:
Browning Arms Company Morgan, Utah & Montreal P.Q.
Fabrique Nationale Herstal
Made In Belguim
and Chrome out to the side

On the other side:
*- Patent Pending
Special Steel 12GA. Shells_2 3/4

bottom barrel **-

So it looks to be IC and IM, and I feel like a dumb ass. IC is perfect for gunning at retriever events, IM will be pretty damn tight.

Thoughts???

 

So it looks to be IC and IM, and I feel like a dumb ass. .

Thoughts???

Go with the feeling

Just kidding. Nice gun and I would save it for Pheasant hunting. You can check the year it was made off the serial # with Browning. Might be a specail year to you. I have an A5 made in 54.

Best production O/U ever made and why I shoot a White Lightning ( same pattern ).

Hoping I get the father in laws SK/SK regards

 

yup thats a Browning Belgium Superposed not a CITORI...do not shoot steel and do not alter the gun

Special Steel only refers to the process that they called them back in the day, like today's case hardened, or Forged...has nothing to do what you shoot out of it

 

Listen to BonMallari big difference between citori and superposed do not use steel--have one I semi retired because steel issue--that said if you are never going to sell because of sentiment and want to use it--talk to Briley if thin walls would work-- believe they will--your decision to make--i also wonder if the estimate you got on the value was valid depending on condition of course

 

you can shoot Bismuth out of that gun

 

Even IC with steel is overkill at thrown/launched ranges imo, IM will be ugly.

 

The first thing all you do is pull the stock, that will let you know about salt wood.
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Nest question is do you like this gun?? Your dealing with a superposed and they have a nice tight bore. I like a tight bore .722 should be yours with short forcing cones. Don't worry about the steel just shoot hevi shot for waterfowl. Those Superposed have long chokes 5-6inches and I like them long.

As for Briley, yep stay away. There thin wall expert installer is a full time paid fireman.

This link will bring you to Mike Orlen.
www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=36237 he can do the job for a fraction of the price and he does very good work. You might have to wait since he does allot of work for high grade dealers. Some guys can not wait and ride him. If you ride him he will not do the job and expect your job to mailed back to you.

Have him open the forcing cones and leave the tight bore if you choke the gun. Value so what you dump 500 in a gun that you can use for everything. Whats that worth I have yet to see a casket with roof racks.

 

Thanks for everyone advice. I wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about this gun, but I knew my RTF buddies would know. So at least I was smart enough to ask :razz:

This gun will be used at fall field trials for pheasants and at the skeet/trap range. I feel that will do it justice.

Alec, that depends on who is throwing, right???
IC in my Benelli with light steel loads has put a couple hundred birds on the ground without a no-bird....all of them were usable the rest of the weekend as well.

 

DO NOT USE THAT GUN FER A FLYER GUN!!!!:razz:

DO NOT SHOOT STEEL THROUGH IT!!

DO NOT LET BRILEY HACK IT UP!!

ORLEN WILL PROLLY SEND IT BACK TO YOU WITH A STUPIDITY CARD!!!:razz:

I thought there MIGHT be a chance it was a super,, when Ya said it was a older Citori with fixed chokes.

I'll give Ya 200.00 Cash fer that "FLYER gun right now!!:razz:

YOU LUCKY BAS#@# YOU!!!

FIGGER YER OWN NO-TOX LOADS OUT FOR IT!!!:razz::razz:

YOU LUCKY BAST!@# YOU!!!

Gooser

 

not sure what the serial numbers are for that gun but here is a Browning Superposed chart which might give you some idea when the gun was produced

http://www.browning.com/customerservice/dategun/detail.asp?id=42

 

L13PMXXXXX so it is a 1980. 1 year before I was born :razz:

 

Savage

I believe your gun is what Browning called a "Leige" model B27.
They were only available overseas,, and many Service people brought them back with them after tour.

You are correct about the year of manufacture.

I would call Browning to confirm this. I am only Talking from recollection,, and that is a real gamble with me.

The L213 I beleive designates Leige" model,, and the 213 designates 12 guage.

YOU LUCKY BASR$#@!!!:razz:

Gooser

 

That would make since, my step father retired from the air force, served over seas in every war and hell hole you can imagine. Shot 7 different times in combat for our country. Would trade the gun back in a heart beat.

 

How does the forearm attach?

Is there a lever in the center you pull up on to remove,, or is there a small black push button type of release?

Can you look down the barrels,, and tell if they are chrome lined?

Your gun may very well be able to shoot steel shot.

The Leige was the precursor to the Citori.
It was a No Frills gun designed to help reduce the cost of the Super.

Browning decided to drop the Leige,, and go with the japanese manufature Citori.

Your gun may not be worth what a Superposed is,, but from what you described you wanted,, It is choked lightly (perfectly in my opinion) and it MAY be able to shoot steel shot, because of the chromed barrels,

Remember.. I am talking out the bottom of my ARSE on this,, Call Browning to make sure!!

You have a VERY nice Gun in any event!
Enjoy it....... YOU LUCKLY BASTY!@#

:razz::razz:

Gooser


P.S.

If it has a push button forearm release,, and chromed barrells it is a LEIGE.

 

It is a Leige then, it has a push button in the tip of the fore end just below the bottom barrel and chrome barrels.

Beautifully made gun IMHO and I am unconcerned with what it is worth, priceless to me.

 

Mike Orlen
79 Salem St.
Amherst, MA 01002
413-256-1630

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=36237

This guy does outstanding barrel work. I have had him install choke tubes in a SXS and also open up chokes in two other SXS.. His turn around time on barrel work is outstanding.