[Jerry]

Now I'm in a quandry.

I doubt if John gave up that easily.

I bet he's typing one of those tome things.

Jerry

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

Now I'm in a quandry.

I doubt if John gave up that easily.

I bet he's typing one of those tome things.

Jerry

I am sure there will be a lithium motivated diatribe to follow :wink:

 

[john fallon]

You can't answer a question with a question.

What was your point?

Jerry

Jerry, you answered your own question.
As you pointed out when you yourself said. . .The other placements and Jams are NOT inconsequential. But in truth, I don't think any two Judges are gonna sit there and argue at length over a RJam v. Jam. Probably not gonna argue too long over 3rd & 4th either. . . my point is that "that there" is a problem
john

 

[Jerry]

It ain't a perfect world and problem or not, it's a reality.

Jerry

 

[Tim Carrion]

Jerry, you answered your own question.
As you pointed out when you yourself said. . .The other placements and Jams are NOT inconsequential. But in truth, I don't think any two Judges are gonna sit there and argue at length over a RJam v. Jam. Probably not gonna argue too long over 3rd & 4th either. . . my point is that "that there" is a problem
john

I would venture to guess that this argument has lasted longer than any 2 judges decision of 3rd vs 4th :roll:
After an average of 8 retrieves and 4 round trips from the holding blind to the line are evaluated by 2 independent evaluators something will be different between # X and #Y.
The sheets and books will be signed and everyone will go home without a 5th series.

Tim

 

[K G]

I think this subject is a little to(sic) sticky for some to weigh in on :wink:

I know exactly what I would recommend to my co-judge, John...and I surely don't have to have your approval or opinion to do it 8)....nor do I feel compelled to jump in and comment when there's hardly ever anyone else's opinion that pleases you....although I think Tim's description pretty much jives with what mine would be.

Sorta liked Bubba's POV regards,

kg

 

[john fallon]

I think this subject is a little to(sic) sticky for some to weigh in on :wink:

I know exactly what I would recommend to my co-judge, John...and I surely don't have to have your approval or opinion to do it 8)....nor do I feel compelled to jump in and comment when there's hardly ever anyone else's opinion that pleases you....although I think Tim's description pretty much jives with what mine would be.

Sorta liked Bubba's POV regards,

kg

Your here commenting Ain't ya? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Like a moth to a flame regards,
john

 

[Chad Baker]

Common

Common sense is not very common in PA.
CB

 

[Jerry]

MR. Baker,

You need to hop on a plane and spend a day or two with us in May. I have no Suite to offer in reciprocation but you will be comfortable and you WILL eat well.

I'll tell my son you are representing "Jr." and I promise he will be your tour guide!!

Might even introduce you to Polock!!

Can't beat a deal like that.

Jerry

 

[Chad Baker]

Jerry

Jerry,
I'd like that alot, but I have Bristol Motor Speedway tore all to H@@@ right know. We tore out all the walls and most of racing surface in the last 2 weeks. I have been working 13-15 hrs a day, we have to have everything put back in place by July 16th for Goodyear to have a tire test on the new surface. I'm hoping to get to go to a few trials this spring but with this important job at hand besides the other 10 or so we have going on, time is not readily available. I'm sure fun will be had by all !!!
CB

 

[K G]

I think this subject is a little to(sic) sticky for some to weigh in on

Your(sic) here commenting Ain't ya?

Just helpin' you with that weighty gauntlet you carry with you....If'n Ida been compelled to comment, youda seen my post long before now, budrow. 8) 8) 8)

Amazing that you pass over comments like these....

I'm thinking that most folks just don't feel like spending time arguing with a peckerhead.

I am sure there will be a lithium motivated diatribe to follow

....just to GDG your own thread with me..... :?

At least I stayed on the topic..... :roll: .....never again regards,

kg

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

Might even introduce you to Polock!!

Can't beat a deal like that.

Jerry

Well that is a deal for sure :wink:

 

[john fallon]

.....never again regards,


kg
Last edited by K G on Sat Apr 07, 2007 8:46 pm; edited 4 times in total

:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Was that "never again" before or after those four edits.

....and Chad, don't you have a judges decision somewhere to WHINE about.

Work end of a Clue x Four regards,
john

BTW I'll get this thread BOT when I get home from the Canal

 

[K G]

BTW I'll get this thread BOT when I get home from the Canal

Yeah....good luck with that..... :roll:

Last edited by K G on Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:46 pm; edited 4 times in total

Patrick Johndrow

Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Posts: 3060

Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject:

Hey.........Fallon...........Mr. AR of RTF.........check the post time of the post AFTER mine, then my last edit......4 minutes......and I knew when I hit "submit" the last time THIS is what you would focus on....'cause you GOT NUTTIN' ELSE.

I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such a ***** regards,

kg

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

I'm pretty sure if you look long and hard at the two teams you can decide who the real winner is.....

/Paul

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

BTW I'll get this thread BOT when I get home from the Canal

Stay tuned…more pseudo-intellectual bipolar commentary to follow :lol:

 

[john fallon]

Jerry, you answered your own question.
As you pointed out when you yourself said. . .The other placements and Jams are NOT inconsequential. But in truth, I don't think any two Judges are gonna sit there and argue at length over a RJam v. Jam. Probably not gonna argue too long over 3rd & 4th either. . . my point is that "that there" is a problem
john

I would venture to guess that this argument has lasted longer than any 2 judges decision of 3rd vs 4th :roll:
After an average of 8 retrieves and 4 round trips from the holding blind to the line are evaluated by 2 independent evaluators something will be different between # X and #Y. The sheets and books will be signed and everyone will go home without a 5th series.

Tim

Tim,
Do you hold that position to be true for First and Second place as well...that there is never a time, after four series of testing, when the dog work is so relatively similar that there is as yet no reasonable way to determine which was the better performance...

john

 

[john fallon]

I'm pretty sure if you look long and hard at the two teams you can decide who the real winner is.....




/Paul

You only have to reread one or more of the Dog A or Dog B threads to disprove that statement,
http://retrievertraining.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=155444&highlight=#155444

I am sure that you can extrapolate to include an AA scenario
john

BTW KG you might want to revisit your exchange with Jack then vs your agreement with Tim now :wink:

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

So the two dogs are tied and you feel that to separate them you need another series. Without opening your mind to expand the critieria being judged it would be possible for them to remain tied for 3 or 4 more series. you could run them until Tuesday. Might be time to open your mind some and look at other factors of the dogs work to decide which one edged out the other.

/Paul

 

[K G]

BTW KG you might want to revisit your exchange with Jack then vs your agreement with Tim now

1st and 2nd (A vs. B) isn't the issue.....C vs. D (3rd and 4th) is. Apples to kumquats....... :?

I would all but question the motives of judges that wanted a fifth series to pick 3rd and 4th if they had a winner and second in hand...., unless, of course, it was all about them instead of all about the dogs.

In 1991, my dog was 1 pt away from his FC. He got fourth in the Open at a trial....so close but yet so far. At the tailgate party on Saturday night, one of the Open judges, a helluva dog man and competitor (now deceased), and I were talking. I mentioned that Rocky was 1 pt. away from his FC...he said "there was virtually no difference between 3rd and 4th place. We almost flipped a coin...." ...........................................

Breaks of the game regards,

kg