You do the Math

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

The following( quoted below) is taken from the AKC HT Rules.

Based on it , which of the following methods are correct for doing the MATH portion of ones Judging Assignment

a)Straight Line Averaging: to find the arithmetic mean of a series of unequal quantities.
Using a) a perfect score is 10 for all birds
Example: ACE 3 marks = 30 for an average of 10 for a perfect score on 3 birds

b)Weighted averaging: to find the arithmetic mean of a series of unequal quantities adjusted to reflect value.
Using b) the value for a perfect score can be less than ten.
Example: Ace three birds with values of 10, 8, and 6= 24 for a weighted average of 8 for a perfect score on 3 birds

c) Other

Using any method a failure is -0-, also the passing average requirement of -7- with no one ability's average being less than -5- remains in full force

You can imagine that b) becomes quite the mathematical equation if you were to additionally attempt to assign values to the various series. We will save that for another time unless it surfaces under c) Other

Regulations for Retrievers
Chapter 3,Part II - Evaluation and Scoring of a Dog's Abilities

A Judge must keep in mind the fact that he is evaluating numerically, a defined set of abilities and not judging a dog in relation to the performances or merits of the other dogs entered. A dog's abilities are scored against an established standard.

The Judge observes and records in what respects and to what degrees the abilities have either exceeded or fallen short of that established standard.

In scoring a dog's abilities in a Test, the Judges must assign a numerical score from "0" to "10" that reflects their estimation of each ability that they have seen demonstrated.

To qualify, a dog must receive an overall average of seven (7.0) for the entire test and must not have an average score in any one ability category below five (5.0). For example, a dog could score 7s, 8s or even 9s in some ability categories and fail to qualify if the average score in another category was below five.

A frequently asked question is how to determine what score "from 0 to 10" should be given in any one ability category. One method is to determine whether the dog should qualify in that ability category, that might mean a minimum score of five. Knowing the dog must have an overall average of seven, the Judge considers whether other abilities deserve a seven or higher. With a five or less (but not with a zero by both Judges), the dog would have to score higher in that ability and other abilities to acquire the 7.0 overall average. A score of 5.0 or less on a given ability during a series does not necessarily mean that the dog cannot receive a qualifying score, unless both Judges score that ability as a zero.

Gun_Dog2002 · Feb 1, 2005

According to Jerry Mann and Joe Pilar, and the rules you quote below, how a judge determines his numbers is up to him as long is it reflects the principles and purpose of testing retrievers against the standard.

/Paul

Jerry · Feb 1, 2005

I "ONCE" judged a FT with a person that must have learned from you.

I drank two beers while this person was "doing the math".

Jerry

AmiableLabs · Feb 1, 2005

Jerry said:
I drank two beers while this person was "doing the math".

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Shayne Mehringer · Feb 1, 2005

WTF are you talking about John?

Shayne

Normal · Feb 1, 2005

ditto

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

Shayne Mehringer said:
WTF are you talking about John?

Shayne

Just what is it you can't seem to "GET"
john

AmiableLabs · Feb 1, 2005

Shayne, you are a computer geek, you should be able to understand him. I did.

I have just never heard it in THIS context before! :lol:

AmiableLabs · Feb 1, 2005

John,

Please allow me to introduce you to William of Occam --

http://skepdic.com/occam.html

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

AmiableLabs said:
John,

Please allow me to introduce you to William of Occam --

http://skepdic.com/occam.html

This part Works for me!

"On the other hand, if Occam's razor means that when confronted with two explanations, an implausible one and a probable one, a rational person should select the probable one,............................"

8) :wink:

Between a) & b), to say b) is merely implausible would be an assault on ones intellect.
The rules specifically call for perfection to be graded a -10-.
It is no more rational to grade Perfection less than -10- than it is to grade Failure more than-0-.
john

drbobsd · Feb 1, 2005

John you are a very intelligent man. Now read teachings of Buddha or Bible and humble yourself.

achiro · Feb 1, 2005

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

achiro said:

Russ,
Ya caught a few of those b) voters on film.
Good work :wink:
john

rbr · Feb 1, 2005

Imagine this scenario, It's a rainy Sat. morning and John is
your co-judge in a 75 dog master test. The last dog in the 1st
series is walking back to the truck. John looks and you and says
"how do you want to score this thing?"

Bert

Terry Britton · Feb 1, 2005

Just don't use a T - score average or you will have everyone fail except one dog. I had a proffessor in Dynamics that used this method to fail 90% of his classes each semester.

(thinking about it, this method of scoring may be helpful in eleminating lots of dogs on the first series and determine a winner in the second series)

Ted Shih · Feb 1, 2005

Russ posts the boobies - full size
John copies the boobies - full size

And we wonder why there isn't enough bandwidth?

Shayne Mehringer · Feb 1, 2005

Ted Shih said:
Russ posts the boobies - full size
John copies the boobies - full size

And we wonder why there isn't enough bandwidth?

Let us all take note, Ted does not like boobies to be full size.

Shayne

Ted Shih · Feb 1, 2005

Shayne Mehringer said:
Let us all take note, Ted does not like boobies to be full size.

Shayne

Shayne, this would be more accurate

"Ted does not like boobies to be full size and repeatedly cut and pasted to the detriment of bandwidth."

Because the mere statement "Ted does not like boobies to be full size" would be contradicted by the fact that I happen to like both you and Russ.

Ted

Anthony Heath · Feb 1, 2005

Ted Shih wrote:
Russ posts the boobies - full size
John copies the boobies - full size

And we wonder why there isn't enough bandwidth?

Let us all take note, Ted does not like boobies to be full size.

Shayne

But what exactly is full size.

Is it an eye of the beholder thing, is there an arbitrary cut-off, or does John have a complicated formula for determination?

Pondering regards,

Joe S. · Feb 1, 2005

...and to think, at most Comedy Clubs, you'd have to pay to get humor of this quality.

Humor Filled Regards,

Joe S.

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

Anthony Heath said:
Ted Shih wrote:
Russ posts the boobies - full size
John copies the boobies - full size

And we wonder why there isn't enough bandwidth?

Let us all take note, Ted does not like boobies to be full size.

Shayne

Click to expand...

But what exactly is full size.

Is it an eye of the beholder thing, is there an arbitrary cut-off, or does John have a complicated formula for determination?Pondering regards,

The Formula has but a Few words.
Two of them being mouthfull and wasted :wink:
john

achiro · Feb 1, 2005

Ted Shih said:
Because the mere statement "Ted does not like boobies to be full size" would be contradicted by the fact that I happen to like both you and Russ.

Ted

SHAZAAM! :lol:

achiro · Feb 1, 2005

I like the boobies big but I can find some small ones for you Ted.

DKR · Feb 1, 2005

John,

Just my honest opinion,

Relax, Drink a beer and spend a little less time with your shotgun if you know what I mean.

john fallon · Feb 1, 2005

DKR said:
John,

Just my honest opinion,

Relax, Drink a beer and spend a little less time with your shotgun if you know what I mean.

No, Don, I don't know what you mean .
Rather than me hazzard a guess.
Why don't you just tell me?
john

Anthony Heath · Feb 1, 2005

The Formula has but a Few words.
Two of them being mouthfull and wasted
john

Hemingwayesque as opposed to Wolfe. It is a day to mark in the annals of RTF history. :wink:

Per the Rules how should You do the Math

a)Straight Line Averaging: to find the arithmetic mean of a series of unequal quantities

b)Weighted averaging: to find the arithmetic mean of a series of unequal quantities adjusted to refl

c)Other- plase explain below

You do the Math

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